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Bucky

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13. I'm sorry about your trumpy family. That can't be fun.

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 06:05 AM

Nov 2018

I admire Clinton for her years of service to the country, but she couldn't have provided herself as a better punching bag for the misogynistic right-wing smear machine.

She has a talent for saying snarky or sarcastic things at the wrong moment. She's not a compelling politician. And Republicans have spent a quarter of a century trashing her. Clinton is a excellent administrator, but a piss poor politician. She simply doesn't have the natural talent for persuasion or the charisma or the ethos that Nancy Pelosi brings to the table.

Pelosi suffers mostly from spillover misogyny targeted at Clinton, and the fact that she's from San Francisco. But when you see her speak, she's sincere, direct, and compelling. She won't be the same Bette Noire that Clinton presented.

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Can anyone point out any substantive criticism of Pelosi? [View all] Bucky Nov 2018 OP

To be fair, they've been even extremely helpful in pointing out who should be OnDoutside Nov 2018 #1

Nah, I don't go for that circular firing squad vibe Bucky Nov 2018 #2

It would be like pruning....or raking the forest OnDoutside Nov 2018 #3

Nope, Teflon Don says they must rake CA; GRAPHIC WARNING Jeffersons Ghost Nov 2018 #7

I never before thought I ever wanted to see Trump's O face Bucky Nov 2018 #14

The call for change got us Trump. How is that working out? olegramps Nov 2018 #60

When people advocate change, you gotta ask them---to what? And then check their RECORD. Doitnow Nov 2018 #72

You can both support a person and be critical of actions you disagree with. onit2day Nov 2018 #62

The voice of reason thank you. LiberalLovinLug Nov 2018 #69

the most important thing she could do is to suggest to progressives to do certainot Nov 2018 #70

Bill putting in the final nails in the 'fairness doctrine' was one of his worst mistakes LiberalLovinLug Nov 2018 #73

they're dumb and they might fall for it, believing their own BS about a 20-1 monopoly certainot Nov 2018 #80

I was appalled by that "move forward" thing. Richard D Nov 2018 #106

I saw the List of 16 and one is from Texas yellowdogintexas Nov 2018 #105

"substitutive" criticism? milestogo Nov 2018 #4

Yes. My voice to text doesn't understand me Bucky Nov 2018 #5

They might know you better as True Dough Nov 2018 #19

Even my True Blue American Nov 2018 #27

Pretty much that Rogers moment, but a lot of us remember... TreasonousBastard Nov 2018 #6

16 dissenters, probably 16 different motives Bucky Nov 2018 #8

Pelosi's been doing this stuff since she was a kid following her father around... TreasonousBastard Nov 2018 #10

17 JonLP24 Nov 2018 #12

Thank you Bucky Nov 2018 #15

If you asked Conor Lamb why he opposes Pelosi you'd get a very different answer JonLP24 Nov 2018 #16

It reminds me a little bit of when I teach about Anti-Federalists in my government class Bucky Nov 2018 #17

Who said the "there are moderate republicans all over the place" quote? I don't Squinch Nov 2018 #32

Read the comment section below the article JonLP24 Nov 2018 #35

Oh! I so agree with you!!! sagetea Nov 2018 #102

The quote was sarcasm JonLP24 Nov 2018 #110

So why are the anti-Pelosi folks a bunch of white men? sharedvalues Nov 2018 #38

They probably have different reasons for opposing her than Marcia Fudge JonLP24 Nov 2018 #39

They represent big money. The corporate dems. Lobbyists onit2day Nov 2018 #64

That report is false. Fudge did not sign the pledge not to vote for Pelosi. She is undecided still_one Nov 2018 #52

14 men True Blue American Nov 2018 #29

Just an observation... demsocialist Nov 2018 #9

I'm sorry about your trumpy family. That can't be fun. Bucky Nov 2018 #13

Oh good lord.....the continued bullshit talking points on Clinton. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #26

"Talking points" makes it sound like it's not my view points Bucky Nov 2018 #47

It doesn't help that she's married to one of the great retail politicians. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #101

You talk about her talent for saying sarcastic things at the wrong Squinch Nov 2018 #34

Oh good heavens Bucky Nov 2018 #48

frankly that's the narrative some tell themselves about Clinton. JHan Nov 2018 #57

She's was a decent SOS, a decent Senator ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #66

The election was stolen. Clinton won by 3m votes. Are you forgetting... brush Nov 2018 #77

Like things with Trumpers aren't already divisive? They don't get to dictate who our leaders are MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #25

GOP media smears Pelosi because she is effective. sharedvalues Nov 2018 #40

+1 ancianita Nov 2018 #107

Much Worse Than It Is Now? ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #46

They'll hate whoever the GOP tells them to hate Recursion Nov 2018 #63

If they start with "Lock her up" u can ask who Ivanka or Hillary or Trump onit2day Nov 2018 #84

I agree about Pelosi, but... KayF Nov 2018 #11

Those apposing her are doing nothing but, duforsure Nov 2018 #18

I've heard... Mike Nelson Nov 2018 #20

Yup sharedvalues Nov 2018 #42

Five white guys with big money funding: rainy Nov 2018 #21

This is a very illuminating article. murielm99 Nov 2018 #24

Has anyone come up with a better candidate? Who could do a better job? Arkansas Granny Nov 2018 #22

This is about the House being a graveyard for talented young Democrats as much as anything else BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #23

I think people should read the Times article you linked, watoos Nov 2018 #37

Thanks. This is enlightening Bucky Nov 2018 #50

A false narrative. There are 20-some ranking members of committees who... brush Nov 2018 #79

When three soon-to-be octogenarians are at the top BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #81

I said there are many mid-career soon-to-be committee chairs ready to... brush Nov 2018 #83

Republicans have demonized the name Pelosi, watoos Nov 2018 #28

No. NO true substantive issue related to her job performance. Hortensis Nov 2018 #30

Pure misogyny. I absolutely agree with you . +1000 Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #45

To Your Point Me. Nov 2018 #76

Why do people who simply prefer she step aside Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2018 #31

If we pushed Nancy out after she won an important midterm, there is no one capable of replacing her Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #44

If they had a good explanation of why they simply prefer it, I'd be more inclined to give a shit. Iggo Nov 2018 #82

Some folks ran on moderate or independent-minded campaigns in competitive red/purple districts IronLionZion Nov 2018 #33

Please stop saying some Democrats are on the "right." Yes, some are moderate, but that sure as hell LBM20 Nov 2018 #71

I don't watch Fox or listen to Limpballs so no she is great. pwb Nov 2018 #36

They want a more right wing speaker and a man...mostly white men. Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #41

For the sake of discussion, I'll offer some... brooklynite Nov 2018 #43

That's fair. Bucky Nov 2018 #53

But she is documented as effective. Regardless of her speaking ability it does not get in her way. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #54

In the spirt of discussion... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #86

Maybe someone could answer a few questions for me, Buck PDittie Nov 2018 #49

This should be an OP. BlueWI Nov 2018 #56

It's already aged out of relevance PDittie Nov 2018 #59

The speaker election is over. The real job is not. BlueWI Nov 2018 #61

Courage?! Is that an intentional put-down? Or do you Hortensis Nov 2018 #68

nobody supported impeachment. bernie sanders opposed impeachment JI7 Nov 2018 #67

She didn't support impeachment because she can count, and because she's not into failure. PBass Nov 2018 #90

+1! betsuni Nov 2018 #93

The corporate wing of the party (& their corporate contributors) CrispyQ Nov 2018 #51

She says she wants to find common ground with a political opposition GETPLANING Nov 2018 #55

Except no. That's your spin. What she said is the typical boilerplate utterance.. JHan Nov 2018 #58

No. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #65

I don't know why everyone is so worked up over this. Not everyone loves the person that others love. Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #74

No, not at all. warmfeet Nov 2018 #75

Pretty similar to HRC jcgoldie Nov 2018 #78

Pelosi is the unofficial head of the DCCC Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #85

Some here may do. redixdoragon Nov 2018 #87

She's from San Francisco Retrograde Nov 2018 #88

Her support of Pay Go is unbelievably stupid, and will block the progressive reforms we might make. PBass Nov 2018 #89

You do realise that she repeatedly waived paygo in her previous stint as Speaker right? JHan Nov 2018 #92

Thank you for your comment. This is an interesting perspective that I have not heard before. PBass Nov 2018 #94

"I do not think that impeachment is a policy agenda" Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #91

vagina n/t librechik Nov 2018 #95

oh noes! Bucky Nov 2018 #96

...that's why they fear her. librechik Nov 2018 #97

ding ding ding jcgoldie Nov 2018 #99

She's an old woman Nonhlanhla Nov 2018 #98

Nope.... WestCoastDem42 Nov 2018 #100

No. paleotn Nov 2018 #103

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"She represents all the big $$$$ in the Dem party that has pushed it to be betsuni Nov 2018 #109

I think the Democratic House members who do not support her are... LudwigPastorius Nov 2018 #111