Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: Can anyone point out any substantive criticism of Pelosi? [View all]BeyondGeography
(41,189 posts)23. This is about the House being a graveyard for talented young Democrats as much as anything else
Strict seniority rules make the House an unattractive place for younger Dems to work. Many of the best ones leave. Then we end up in a situation where leadership is a trio of soon-to-be octogenarians and people ask who can possibly replace Pelosi, WHO?!
Its an absurd, unhealthy situation, and you cant say Pelosi has done anything to change it.
Beto ORourke sums it up pretty well:
But Pelosis caucus also grew restive during its years in the minority. Younger members impatient to distinguish themselves in a body of 435 saw little hope of achieving committee chairmanships; Pelosi, unlike her Republican counterparts, maintained the tradition of allotting them based on seniority. She did this out of deference to the Congressional Black Caucus, according to several former staff members, because African-American members have historically not been granted high party standing except through longevity. But between the unavailability of chairman posts and a leadership pipeline clogged with 70-somethings Pelosi; Hoyer, the minority whip; and James Clyburn, the assistant minority leader younger House Democrats have been left to ponder other opportunities.
You have some of the institutional members say, Who are these upstarts? one of these younger Democrats, Representative Beto ORourke of Texas, who was elected in 2012, told me in 2015. One member of Congress compared us to spoiled kids, like teenagers who want a car on their 16th birthday. But you look at my class: Tulsi Gabbard, shes not going to stay in the House for long shell run for governor. Joe Kennedy, the same. Pat Murphy, the same. And theyre all talented, ambitious and good fund-raisers. Ive just got to think that when you see that 20-year road to be in a position of consequence, other options look a lot more attractive. ORourke, of course, left this year to pursue those other options, following his fellow erstwhile rising House stars Xavier Becerra (who was appointed attorney general of California in 2017) and Kyrsten Sinema (whom Arizona elected to the Senate this month).
You have some of the institutional members say, Who are these upstarts? one of these younger Democrats, Representative Beto ORourke of Texas, who was elected in 2012, told me in 2015. One member of Congress compared us to spoiled kids, like teenagers who want a car on their 16th birthday. But you look at my class: Tulsi Gabbard, shes not going to stay in the House for long shell run for governor. Joe Kennedy, the same. Pat Murphy, the same. And theyre all talented, ambitious and good fund-raisers. Ive just got to think that when you see that 20-year road to be in a position of consequence, other options look a lot more attractive. ORourke, of course, left this year to pursue those other options, following his fellow erstwhile rising House stars Xavier Becerra (who was appointed attorney general of California in 2017) and Kyrsten Sinema (whom Arizona elected to the Senate this month).
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/19/magazine/nancy-pelosi-house-democrats.html
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
111 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
To be fair, they've been even extremely helpful in pointing out who should be
OnDoutside
Nov 2018
#1
When people advocate change, you gotta ask them---to what? And then check their RECORD.
Doitnow
Nov 2018
#72
Bill putting in the final nails in the 'fairness doctrine' was one of his worst mistakes
LiberalLovinLug
Nov 2018
#73
they're dumb and they might fall for it, believing their own BS about a 20-1 monopoly
certainot
Nov 2018
#80
Pelosi's been doing this stuff since she was a kid following her father around...
TreasonousBastard
Nov 2018
#10
If you asked Conor Lamb why he opposes Pelosi you'd get a very different answer
JonLP24
Nov 2018
#16
It reminds me a little bit of when I teach about Anti-Federalists in my government class
Bucky
Nov 2018
#17
Who said the "there are moderate republicans all over the place" quote? I don't
Squinch
Nov 2018
#32
That report is false. Fudge did not sign the pledge not to vote for Pelosi. She is undecided
still_one
Nov 2018
#52
It doesn't help that she's married to one of the great retail politicians.
Pope George Ringo II
Nov 2018
#101
Like things with Trumpers aren't already divisive? They don't get to dictate who our leaders are
MrsCoffee
Nov 2018
#25
This is about the House being a graveyard for talented young Democrats as much as anything else
BeyondGeography
Nov 2018
#23
If we pushed Nancy out after she won an important midterm, there is no one capable of replacing her
Demsrule86
Nov 2018
#44
If they had a good explanation of why they simply prefer it, I'd be more inclined to give a shit.
Iggo
Nov 2018
#82
Some folks ran on moderate or independent-minded campaigns in competitive red/purple districts
IronLionZion
Nov 2018
#33
Please stop saying some Democrats are on the "right." Yes, some are moderate, but that sure as hell
LBM20
Nov 2018
#71
But she is documented as effective. Regardless of her speaking ability it does not get in her way.
Wintryjade
Nov 2018
#54
She didn't support impeachment because she can count, and because she's not into failure.
PBass
Nov 2018
#90
I don't know why everyone is so worked up over this. Not everyone loves the person that others love.
Honeycombe8
Nov 2018
#74
Her support of Pay Go is unbelievably stupid, and will block the progressive reforms we might make.
PBass
Nov 2018
#89
You do realise that she repeatedly waived paygo in her previous stint as Speaker right?
JHan
Nov 2018
#92