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JHan

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57. frankly that's the narrative some tell themselves about Clinton.

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 12:25 AM

Nov 2018

I disagree with your assessment, I do find her compelling as a politician.

So there.

And actually, people say the same about Pelosi and her communication skills or lack thereof.

I think there's an ism which explains this and our bullshit narratives about "authenticity" when it comes to women in general.

I can think of male politicians who get away with sarcasm and getting a rise out of people and are loved for it.

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Can anyone point out any substantive criticism of Pelosi? [View all] Bucky Nov 2018 OP

To be fair, they've been even extremely helpful in pointing out who should be OnDoutside Nov 2018 #1

Nah, I don't go for that circular firing squad vibe Bucky Nov 2018 #2

It would be like pruning....or raking the forest OnDoutside Nov 2018 #3

Nope, Teflon Don says they must rake CA; GRAPHIC WARNING Jeffersons Ghost Nov 2018 #7

I never before thought I ever wanted to see Trump's O face Bucky Nov 2018 #14

The call for change got us Trump. How is that working out? olegramps Nov 2018 #60

When people advocate change, you gotta ask them---to what? And then check their RECORD. Doitnow Nov 2018 #72

You can both support a person and be critical of actions you disagree with. onit2day Nov 2018 #62

The voice of reason thank you. LiberalLovinLug Nov 2018 #69

the most important thing she could do is to suggest to progressives to do certainot Nov 2018 #70

Bill putting in the final nails in the 'fairness doctrine' was one of his worst mistakes LiberalLovinLug Nov 2018 #73

they're dumb and they might fall for it, believing their own BS about a 20-1 monopoly certainot Nov 2018 #80

I was appalled by that "move forward" thing. Richard D Nov 2018 #106

I saw the List of 16 and one is from Texas yellowdogintexas Nov 2018 #105

"substitutive" criticism? milestogo Nov 2018 #4

Yes. My voice to text doesn't understand me Bucky Nov 2018 #5

They might know you better as True Dough Nov 2018 #19

Even my True Blue American Nov 2018 #27

Pretty much that Rogers moment, but a lot of us remember... TreasonousBastard Nov 2018 #6

16 dissenters, probably 16 different motives Bucky Nov 2018 #8

Pelosi's been doing this stuff since she was a kid following her father around... TreasonousBastard Nov 2018 #10

17 JonLP24 Nov 2018 #12

Thank you Bucky Nov 2018 #15

If you asked Conor Lamb why he opposes Pelosi you'd get a very different answer JonLP24 Nov 2018 #16

It reminds me a little bit of when I teach about Anti-Federalists in my government class Bucky Nov 2018 #17

Who said the "there are moderate republicans all over the place" quote? I don't Squinch Nov 2018 #32

Read the comment section below the article JonLP24 Nov 2018 #35

Oh! I so agree with you!!! sagetea Nov 2018 #102

The quote was sarcasm JonLP24 Nov 2018 #110

So why are the anti-Pelosi folks a bunch of white men? sharedvalues Nov 2018 #38

They probably have different reasons for opposing her than Marcia Fudge JonLP24 Nov 2018 #39

They represent big money. The corporate dems. Lobbyists onit2day Nov 2018 #64

That report is false. Fudge did not sign the pledge not to vote for Pelosi. She is undecided still_one Nov 2018 #52

14 men True Blue American Nov 2018 #29

Just an observation... demsocialist Nov 2018 #9

I'm sorry about your trumpy family. That can't be fun. Bucky Nov 2018 #13

Oh good lord.....the continued bullshit talking points on Clinton. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #26

"Talking points" makes it sound like it's not my view points Bucky Nov 2018 #47

It doesn't help that she's married to one of the great retail politicians. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #101

You talk about her talent for saying sarcastic things at the wrong Squinch Nov 2018 #34

Oh good heavens Bucky Nov 2018 #48

frankly that's the narrative some tell themselves about Clinton. JHan Nov 2018 #57

She's was a decent SOS, a decent Senator ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #66

The election was stolen. Clinton won by 3m votes. Are you forgetting... brush Nov 2018 #77

Like things with Trumpers aren't already divisive? They don't get to dictate who our leaders are MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #25

GOP media smears Pelosi because she is effective. sharedvalues Nov 2018 #40

+1 ancianita Nov 2018 #107

Much Worse Than It Is Now? ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #46

They'll hate whoever the GOP tells them to hate Recursion Nov 2018 #63

If they start with "Lock her up" u can ask who Ivanka or Hillary or Trump onit2day Nov 2018 #84

I agree about Pelosi, but... KayF Nov 2018 #11

Those apposing her are doing nothing but, duforsure Nov 2018 #18

I've heard... Mike Nelson Nov 2018 #20

Yup sharedvalues Nov 2018 #42

Five white guys with big money funding: rainy Nov 2018 #21

This is a very illuminating article. murielm99 Nov 2018 #24

Has anyone come up with a better candidate? Who could do a better job? Arkansas Granny Nov 2018 #22

This is about the House being a graveyard for talented young Democrats as much as anything else BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #23

I think people should read the Times article you linked, watoos Nov 2018 #37

Thanks. This is enlightening Bucky Nov 2018 #50

A false narrative. There are 20-some ranking members of committees who... brush Nov 2018 #79

When three soon-to-be octogenarians are at the top BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #81

I said there are many mid-career soon-to-be committee chairs ready to... brush Nov 2018 #83

Republicans have demonized the name Pelosi, watoos Nov 2018 #28

No. NO true substantive issue related to her job performance. Hortensis Nov 2018 #30

Pure misogyny. I absolutely agree with you . +1000 Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #45

To Your Point Me. Nov 2018 #76

Why do people who simply prefer she step aside Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2018 #31

If we pushed Nancy out after she won an important midterm, there is no one capable of replacing her Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #44

If they had a good explanation of why they simply prefer it, I'd be more inclined to give a shit. Iggo Nov 2018 #82

Some folks ran on moderate or independent-minded campaigns in competitive red/purple districts IronLionZion Nov 2018 #33

Please stop saying some Democrats are on the "right." Yes, some are moderate, but that sure as hell LBM20 Nov 2018 #71

I don't watch Fox or listen to Limpballs so no she is great. pwb Nov 2018 #36

They want a more right wing speaker and a man...mostly white men. Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #41

For the sake of discussion, I'll offer some... brooklynite Nov 2018 #43

That's fair. Bucky Nov 2018 #53

But she is documented as effective. Regardless of her speaking ability it does not get in her way. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #54

In the spirt of discussion... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #86

Maybe someone could answer a few questions for me, Buck PDittie Nov 2018 #49

This should be an OP. BlueWI Nov 2018 #56

It's already aged out of relevance PDittie Nov 2018 #59

The speaker election is over. The real job is not. BlueWI Nov 2018 #61

Courage?! Is that an intentional put-down? Or do you Hortensis Nov 2018 #68

nobody supported impeachment. bernie sanders opposed impeachment JI7 Nov 2018 #67

She didn't support impeachment because she can count, and because she's not into failure. PBass Nov 2018 #90

+1! betsuni Nov 2018 #93

The corporate wing of the party (& their corporate contributors) CrispyQ Nov 2018 #51

She says she wants to find common ground with a political opposition GETPLANING Nov 2018 #55

Except no. That's your spin. What she said is the typical boilerplate utterance.. JHan Nov 2018 #58

No. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #65

I don't know why everyone is so worked up over this. Not everyone loves the person that others love. Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #74

No, not at all. warmfeet Nov 2018 #75

Pretty similar to HRC jcgoldie Nov 2018 #78

Pelosi is the unofficial head of the DCCC Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #85

Some here may do. redixdoragon Nov 2018 #87

She's from San Francisco Retrograde Nov 2018 #88

Her support of Pay Go is unbelievably stupid, and will block the progressive reforms we might make. PBass Nov 2018 #89

You do realise that she repeatedly waived paygo in her previous stint as Speaker right? JHan Nov 2018 #92

Thank you for your comment. This is an interesting perspective that I have not heard before. PBass Nov 2018 #94

"I do not think that impeachment is a policy agenda" Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #91

vagina n/t librechik Nov 2018 #95

oh noes! Bucky Nov 2018 #96

...that's why they fear her. librechik Nov 2018 #97

ding ding ding jcgoldie Nov 2018 #99

She's an old woman Nonhlanhla Nov 2018 #98

Nope.... WestCoastDem42 Nov 2018 #100

No. paleotn Nov 2018 #103

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"She represents all the big $$$$ in the Dem party that has pushed it to be betsuni Nov 2018 #109

I think the Democratic House members who do not support her are... LudwigPastorius Nov 2018 #111