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Garrett78

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240. There were 13 closed primaries in 2016, including DC. Clinton won 12 of those 13.

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 01:35 AM

Nov 2018

Outside of New England (where Sanders won 3 primaries, including his home state), Sanders won just 7 primaries (4 open, 2 semi-closed and 1 closed). 4 of those 7 took place long after it was more than evident that Clinton was going to win. 1 of those 7 was Michigan, an open primary that Sanders won by 1.4%. The other 6 were Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Indiana, West Virginia, Oregon and Montana (not a lot of diversity in those states).

It couldn't be any clearer that the Democratic Party base (those most likely to turn out and vote for the Democratic nominee in November) did not want Sanders to be the nominee for president. And he hasn't done anything to change that dynamic. In fact, I think he's probably hurt his standing with the base.

Caucuses are disenfranchising and, thankfully, there will be fewer of them going forward.

No non-progressive will get the Democratic Party nomination, unless one's definition of 'non-progressive' is anyone who doesn't agree 100% with Bernie Sanders.

Sanders will benefit initially from a crowded field and the fact that Iowa and New Hampshire kick things off, but he will not be the nominee.

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Sanders, or ANY progressive for President in 2020. [View all] realmirage Nov 2018 OP

... LexVegas Nov 2018 #1

... Bfd Nov 2018 #3

... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #54

Done. Bfd Nov 2018 #55

I see what you did. And like it! Small-Axe Nov 2018 #57

I am also laughing at the OP Gothmog Nov 2018 #74

Get in line bernie. Democrats have already got far better candidates than you Bfd Nov 2018 #2

He won't be the Democratic party's nominee. I think he'll run third-party, however. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #148

Of course he will. Because he has depleted all availible Dem capital Bfd Nov 2018 #156

No, he won't run as a spoiler because he knows a third party vote hands the vote to R. Sunlei Nov 2018 #193

I wish I shared your confidence. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #194

he said so. Bernie also said to his fans-"JOIN THE D PARTY" (when asked about 3rd party) Sunlei Nov 2018 #196

Oh, yes... I'm sure he's well aware of that. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #207

He said that in 2015. He has not said this lately. He also said he would stay a Dem. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #208

nope, He repeated those things again- after he lost the primary. Sunlei Nov 2018 #209

Ok, 2016 though I didn't hear what you are referring to, so I can't really gauge it. Has he said Wintryjade Nov 2018 #211

I do not have the confidence he won't. I want it to come out sooner than later, that he is running Wintryjade Nov 2018 #205

Don't hold your breath. Best to expect the worst and you'll never be disappointed, but hopefully... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #210

I think it will be real clear real fast because we have done this a couple times in the last 2 years Wintryjade Nov 2018 #213

what resourses did he use? and whats the 'twice' walk away? Sunlei Nov 2018 #212

If you have no concept of why he used the Democratic party and his gains, I won't bother. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #214

Appreciate you 'not bothering'. Sunlei Nov 2018 #215

This is not about his votes. That is not want I am talking about, clearly. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #219

Nobody cares about that. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #220

I have been a Democrat for a lifetime. Stating I want to elect a Democrat should not be a Wintryjade Nov 2018 #223

The USA needs to discuss those things that you find "highly offensive". I agree with him. Sunlei Nov 2018 #224

You "agree" with him, huh? Does that mean you believe the Democratic party is corrupt? NurseJackie Nov 2018 #225

LOL Maven Nov 2018 #4

+1 grantcart Nov 2018 #12

2 Words Me. Nov 2018 #5

Nah, he had his shot, and Dems don't want all that divisiveness again. brush Nov 2018 #6

Bernie votes more with the Democratic majority than most Democrats... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #97

Nope. We have several younger real Democrats for 2020. brush Nov 2018 #99

He may be an authentic progressive Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #109

Now that's what I'm talking about. You got a laugh out of me with that line. brush Nov 2018 #143

No he doesn't & no he hasn't been an authentic progressive "from day 1", either. Bfd Nov 2018 #111

How's it even possible for Bernie to vote more with the Dem majority than most Dems? betsuni Nov 2018 #113

No he hasn't, and no he hasn't. Sorry. Oh, and no he won't. George II Nov 2018 #150

True, concise and directly to the point. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #163

Nobody cares about that. It's the smears and lies and attacks on the party... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #162

Thank you TheFarseer Nov 2018 #181

Without a doubt... Bernie is one of the leading voices of the progressive movement in this country. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #229

This is Democratic Underground. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #271

Absolutely right. One failed campaign for the nomination is a lifetime bar. Jim Lane Nov 2018 #125

Completely agree. The "too good to stay in the Party" irks me the most. brush Nov 2018 #142

I think it will be someone else... Mike Nelson Nov 2018 #7

It depends on what the definition of progressive is. Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #8

+1 sheshe2 Nov 2018 #27

++++ a million True Progressives need to do some serious vetting of those who claim their label. Bfd Nov 2018 #30

why yes, they do...and Bernie fits the bill better than anyone else at this time shanny Nov 2018 #35

Depends on what you feel is important uponit7771 Nov 2018 #38

no duh shanny Nov 2018 #40

Fits what bill? Please See post#8, and explain his progressivness Bfd Nov 2018 #42

lol Indenpeneet it is. shanny Nov 2018 #44

Wherever the media wind blows ... Bfd Nov 2018 #48

yeah definitely--since the 60s shanny Nov 2018 #49

Me neither. We're all quite over his antics. Bfd Nov 2018 #51

I disagree and facts tell us otherwise. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #43

I disagree and facts tell us otherwise. shanny Nov 2018 #46

You didn't answer for the facts in post#8 yet. Bfd Nov 2018 #58

Bernie doesn't just fit the bill... he's been leading the progressive parade for DECADES. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #278

+1, there are too many issues that are progressive at all that are important to me on that list uponit7771 Nov 2018 #37

Populism is being conflated with being "progressive"... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #59

I agree. This is what has been very frustrating the last three years. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #78

WORD lunamagica Nov 2018 #102

Nope.. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #9

As a strong supporter of liberals/progressives, I am not a fool regarding... demmiblue Nov 2018 #10

not to mention the second shanny Nov 2018 #36

At least Hillary has said she won't run again. The other guy hasn't. brush Nov 2018 #144

Glad to hear. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #159

He does not even come close to having the base. I predict, if he can run as Democrat, Wintryjade Nov 2018 #11

I think Bernie will run too BannonsLiver Nov 2018 #13

Here we go again Andy823 Nov 2018 #15

Lol BannonsLiver Nov 2018 #16

Sorry about that Andy823 Nov 2018 #18

Make that two "flame baits" then Charlotte Little Nov 2018 #89

Exactly. smirkymonkey Nov 2018 #153

yup realmirage Nov 2018 #170

What else is new?! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #276

Not if he Teams-up(very publicly early primary) with ANY of the other popular Ds. Sunlei Nov 2018 #218

That makes absolutely no sense at all. BannonsLiver Nov 2018 #284

No he won't! mrsv Nov 2018 #14

I don't think he should run again Bettie Nov 2018 #17

I won't vote for Sanders in the primary jcgoldie Nov 2018 #19

LOL ornotna Nov 2018 #20

Si, si, nada mas que la misma mierda, como siempre DFW Nov 2018 #28

Exactamente. Tipperary Nov 2018 #53

Flame bait Andy823 Nov 2018 #21

... Docreed2003 Nov 2018 #22

Vote in the primaries Rizen Nov 2018 #23

He's old news. Adrahil Nov 2018 #24

I predict a 200 post thread. I think you could make a compelling argument about what we need our JCanete Nov 2018 #25

well... realmirage Nov 2018 #172

Well I agree with you on style and advocacy, particularly as it pertains to what we need and JCanete Nov 2018 #185

Why do you think realmirage Nov 2018 #187

It is possible, and I will support him as I did last time with the little I can afford. And his JCanete Nov 2018 #189

As Obama proved realmirage Nov 2018 #198

Nope. ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #26

lol, sanders is not a democrat and such should be excluded from consideration any more than Ralph beachbum bob Nov 2018 #29

This is what I do not get. 2016 he used Democratic resources and filed under the Democratic Party. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #45

A non-progressive will achieve the same result. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #230

Name a non-progressive who is likely to seek the Democratic Party nomination. Then explain. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #232

Bernie actually won the war, but was killed in battle. marylandblue Nov 2018 #31

False story. Not factually true. The Democratic Party already had these issues and had Wintryjade Nov 2018 #47

I understand that, but it wasn't getting a lot of traction marylandblue Nov 2018 #60

Depends who has the power. Voting out the ability to progress in 2010 was a shot in the foot Wintryjade Nov 2018 #77

Well, I actually supported Clinton in 2016, so I understand marylandblue Nov 2018 #98

I agree with you about 2020. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #104

Clinton Machine? What do you call the operation that put bernie in the headlines? Bfd Nov 2018 #114

You are right, and I didn't say anything that implied otherwise. marylandblue Nov 2018 #119

It did. A well calculated organized fluke at that. Bfd Nov 2018 #121

LOL Clinton Machine. betsuni Nov 2018 #115

Whatever, you know what I mean. marylandblue Nov 2018 #117

Yes. That what the Party has been about all along. brush Nov 2018 #145

The Big Lie all over again. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #61

Whatever. There are bigger lies out there. marylandblue Nov 2018 #65

Not really, given the consequences. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #66

Which are what? That's a real question. marylandblue Nov 2018 #67

Yeah, whatever. RelativelyJones Nov 2018 #32

Thanks for posting your letter to Santa, I guess. betsuni Nov 2018 #33

Bernie supports trump's trade policy, he has zero chance AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #34

That's all utter nonsense. Trump is considering a diffrerent trade policy that will almost certainly JCanete Nov 2018 #68

Please, when he voted against immigration reform the last thing on hismind was lunamagica Nov 2018 #105

Please quote him. I've seen this interview. Don't just say it says something that I didn't hear. JCanete Nov 2018 #106

Lou Dobbs talks about "ethnic-centric groups which have very little regaard for the traditions lunamagica Nov 2018 #118

No he doesn't share that hostility. His focus is over and over again, and the greedy institutions JCanete Nov 2018 #122

Yet, Bernie was quiet about the EB-5 visa program at Jay Peak in Vermont. TexasTowelie Nov 2018 #131

by the way, the thing that was on his mind was how corporations were finding new ways to skirt JCanete Nov 2018 #107

All right then, just fess up and admit what the real motivation was, but please, dont try to lunamagica Nov 2018 #120

I said it was bad for immigrants...it wasn't good for them or the American worker. JCanete Nov 2018 #124

He'll have to find those tax returns first MyNameGoesHere Nov 2018 #39

Nope. Nope. Nope. He will not be our next president. nt Kahuna7 Nov 2018 #41

And why should he? Bfd Nov 2018 #50

Nope. Not a chance in hell. Tipperary Nov 2018 #52

. Squinch Nov 2018 #56

But this time he has to run against treestar Nov 2018 #62

There's usually a big group... realmirage Nov 2018 #174

Only Hillary and Martin O'Malley treestar Nov 2018 #226

And O'Malley dropped out after Iowa. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #234

Fair enough. Neither of us has a crystal ball. realmirage Nov 2018 #241

No crystal ball needed. We have recent history as a guide. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #247

I get it that you very much dislike the man realmirage Nov 2018 #248

My issue with Sanders is precisely that which I mentioned in that last post. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #250

I did nothing of the sort. realmirage Nov 2018 #252

Of course you did. You haven't once responded to the facts I've laid out. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #254

You dismissed realmirage Nov 2018 #257

Once again, you're misrepresenting. What I dismissed is the assertion that "independent"... Garrett78 Nov 2018 #258

I'm forced to conclude that you're just trolling. Likeliest candidate? You can't believe that. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #233

First of all Sen. Sanders will not get the nomination. Secondly if he did he would lose. Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #63

Why would he lose? I have no idea why you believe that. You could very well be right that he won't JCanete Nov 2018 #69

Let's not underestimate Trump like we did in 2016 Polybius Nov 2018 #71

That's fine, but that's not what Demsrule's post was suggesting. It was just a flat-out assumption JCanete Nov 2018 #91

I would just add in the interests of clarity... I do believe the Republicans had a reason Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #149

You realize that single payer is popular right? nt JCanete Nov 2018 #167

How can sanders win without support from key groups in the base? Gothmog Nov 2018 #75

You may not be aware of this but Sanders is plenty popular among JCanete Nov 2018 #84

Not in the real world Gothmog Nov 2018 #85

Okay, there's no point continuing. Where do you get your real world data? Your own sense of JCanete Nov 2018 #90

I am not to relitigate the 2016 primaries Gothmog Nov 2018 #94

sanders cannot win without the support of African American voters Gothmog Nov 2018 #256

He just said that folks who refuse to vote for people of color are not necessarily racist! Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #151

You don't personally get to decide how peopel reacted to that, or whether or not he's fallen out of JCanete Nov 2018 #164

I believe his viewpoints will not carry independents which is essential...and his views on Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #147

He was stilll doing absolutley fine after his defining of identity politics among people of JCanete Nov 2018 #165

nope nope and nope samnsara Nov 2018 #64

If we lose 2020, would you support Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in 2024? Polybius Nov 2018 #70

I sure as hell would support Alexandria... an authentic progressive, strong female InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #96

How do you think she would do in 2024 against, say Marco Rubio? Polybius Nov 2018 #171

we will see pwb Nov 2018 #72

sanders will not be the nominee for so long as African American voters are key to the base Gothmog Nov 2018 #73

Also the female base rejected Sanders. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #79

Ya think?! ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #93

That quote will kill sanders if he runs in 2020 Gothmog Nov 2018 #95

Yup, and click your heels and..... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #76

Really? Dolly123Jimmy Nov 2018 #80

"Sanders will run as a Democrat and I predict he will get the nomination." elocs Nov 2018 #81

No "progressive" with a shitty record on gun control is going to win in 2020. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #82

I like your post best! yardwork Nov 2018 #86

No words... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #83

I predict Meowmee Nov 2018 #87

I don't always favor progressives. But when I do I choose members of the Democratic Party. NT GulfCoast66 Nov 2018 #88

I find the first part of that statement particularly painful. nt JCanete Nov 2018 #129

I am a liberal. Not a progressive, which has shifting meanings in my mind GulfCoast66 Nov 2018 #146

It really needs to be someone with a law degree. ucrdem Nov 2018 #92

Well, I suspect we'll find someone younger who can get young voters as excited as Bernie can mtnsnake Nov 2018 #100

How about someone that will get them to actually vote? MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #140

Sanders did in the primaries realmirage Nov 2018 #176

Exactly! realmirage Nov 2018 #175

I predict you are wrong lunamagica Nov 2018 #101

I would back Bernie again, but someone new and progressive would be nice mvd Nov 2018 #103

I'd like to see anyone with Sanders' fresh approach gain popularity realmirage Nov 2018 #169

And I predict Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #108

Sanders was *the* Clinton alternative in 2016. A 1-on-1 race against a polarizing figure. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #110

Lots of factors...first, You could have absolutely asked for a better scenario. Sanders campaign JCanete Nov 2018 #166

Sanders was campaigning as *the* Clinton alternative for nearly a year before Iowa. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #228

Not to mention HRC worked for and earned that recognition. It was not just handed to her. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #231

Absolutely. And decades of attacks turned her into a very polarizing figure. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #235

Also, the lack of vetting Sanders. Sanders had a lot of advantages in 2016. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #238

For sure. And the media loves boosting underdogs. And 'horse race' coverage. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #242

Right. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #245

Not revising history garret, I was there, and since sanders WAS on my radar, I remember what JCanete Nov 2018 #267

The media has a vested interest in propping up underdogs and making a race seem close. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #269

I agree with you that the media likes a horesrace, which is why it propped up trump, JCanete Nov 2018 #282

I've always agreed with Bernie Sanders policy positions. dgauss Nov 2018 #112

I am told they moved to another site of their own. JBR maybe, I think that's it. Bfd Nov 2018 #116

There's a lot of agreement over policy positions. That's not the issue. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #123

I think people care more about money realmirage Nov 2018 #178

I disagree with your assessment 100%. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #222

Your reply has left me virtually speechless. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #227

Some people are just racist to the core realmirage Nov 2018 #239

The vast majority of so-called independents are highly partisan. They aren't 'middle of the road'. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #243

You might want to read this realmirage Nov 2018 #246

Lazy reporting. Numerous studies demonstrate exactly what I said. For instance: Garrett78 Nov 2018 #249

It wasn't lazy reporting. realmirage Nov 2018 #251

Studies make clear very few independents are actually swing voters, contrary to what many assume. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #253

This site began when George Bush had gotten elected despite pnwmom Nov 2018 #134

Poor you. Squinch Nov 2018 #139

For decades I've pretty much had the same or similar policy positions..... George II Nov 2018 #161

K & R Bfd Nov 2018 #168

We can on disagree on tactics/legislation. We just need to agree on the goals. ehrnst Nov 2018 #141

They're you again ehrnst... making WAY too much sense!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #273

This site has been around since about 2001, I joined in 2005, I never heard of him until.... George II Nov 2018 #160

They don't post much realmirage Nov 2018 #177

The majority of DU'ers are left liberal and progressives emulatorloo Nov 2018 #216

ALL Dems are "progressive" compared to the R's. Proressive means progress, not purity. LBM20 Nov 2018 #126

Where did the original poster go? BlueStater Nov 2018 #127

Like a mirage... betsuni Nov 2018 #128

Yeah, agreed. I mean, life could have been calling, so I'd give the poster a reasonable amount of JCanete Nov 2018 #130

It's their "thing" to post these tyoe of OPs obamanut2012 Nov 2018 #136

Who is they? realmirage Nov 2018 #183

miss me? realmirage Nov 2018 #179

Sanders IS NOT the future of the party ! stonecutter357 Nov 2018 #132

He's not even part of the bloody party. sunonmars Nov 2018 #138

ADAM SCHIFF. democratisphere Nov 2018 #133

+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #152

I like Adam..... I would consider him, but... Adrahil Nov 2018 #157

I'd vote for him realmirage Nov 2018 #180

Was hoping your Weekly OP would drop before Thanksgiving! obamanut2012 Nov 2018 #135

No, just no Nonhlanhla Nov 2018 #137

If he maintains a decent percentage of his supporters, his odds of securing... borgesian Nov 2018 #154

I agree with you realmirage Nov 2018 #173

😂 dubyadiprecession Nov 2018 #155

I have no confidence that Sanders knows how to campaign outside of safe liberal States brooklynite Nov 2018 #158

The polling and the results from 2015 would ease realmirage Nov 2018 #182

What results from 2015? brooklynite Nov 2018 #184

2016 I meant realmirage Nov 2018 #186

Sanders lost... brooklynite Nov 2018 #188

I'm not talking about that. realmirage Nov 2018 #195

anybody who can communicate to dimwits. pansypoo53219 Nov 2018 #190

Yipeeee.... another over 70 politician! whistler162 Nov 2018 #191

What does the age matter if they have wisdom and the right ideas? realmirage Nov 2018 #199

I ask Sanders & Clinton to both run in D party. TEAM-up early & let primary voters choose Sunlei Nov 2018 #192

Balderdash Hekate Nov 2018 #197

Never played the game. realmirage Nov 2018 #200

Ah, so. What game do you play here? Hekate Nov 2018 #202

I don't play board games here. realmirage Nov 2018 #203

Yet this is a board. And you play games. Hekate Nov 2018 #204

Yeah but not Balderdash. Looks boring. realmirage Nov 2018 #206

Not this again NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #201

Good luck with that. DU has a bad taste in its' mouth joet67 Nov 2018 #217

And plenty who support him. It's all good realmirage Nov 2018 #221

you will hear crues of "$hes not a Democratic ". among otheesand Pantsuits joet67 Nov 2018 #286

Bernie fumbled his chance. But yes on a progressive otherwise. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2018 #236

Name a non-progressive who is likely to seek the Democratic Party nomination. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #237

There were 13 closed primaries in 2016, including DC. Clinton won 12 of those 13. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #240

I should copy and paste your post realmirage Nov 2018 #244

If that's the conclusion you draw from reading my post, I don't know what to say. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #255

Yes. betsuni Nov 2018 #260

Sanders needs to sit down and let the younger generation shine. Lunabell Nov 2018 #259

Ageism? Really? realmirage Nov 2018 #261

It's disgusting to see something like that posted in a forum for Democrats, isn't it? jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #262

Exactly. Since when did attacking people because they're old realmirage Nov 2018 #279

LMAO not ageism Lunabell Nov 2018 #264

No, it was Ageism. jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #265

Well, if you think so alert on it and let a jury decide. Lunabell Nov 2018 #266

That would prove nothing. Your comment was Ageist. Period! jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #270

I'm a Progressive and a Socialist. I will support Bernie again if he runs in 2020. jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #263

In case no one has noticed MFM008 Nov 2018 #268

+1000 NT Adrahil Nov 2018 #275

Is that you, Bernie? MineralMan Nov 2018 #272

Well then. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2018 #274

Everybody just vote for whatever Democrat is the candidate this time, okay? TeamPooka Nov 2018 #277

Very good idea realmirage Nov 2018 #280

He's going to show his taxes? jrthin Nov 2018 #281

Will trump show his? realmirage Nov 2018 #283

That's an excuse? Small-Axe Nov 2018 #285