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In reply to the discussion: ALERT: Another Group Attempting To Blackmail Nancy Pelosi [View all]Celerity
(44,499 posts)102. we must be reading different tweets
Simply stating that 'I am not calling you this' but then going on to add layer upon layer of inferences is exactly that
It is accusatory through the back-door
she makes sweeping generalisations and also uses false framing techniques
She can bash AOC and it is a great thing, but AOC simply sticking up for her own agenda is somehow bad and divisive. Its a 2-way street, but not in Kirkman's world. Her critique is legit and pure as driven snow, AOC and other's are tainted and designed to aid Putin. The Kirkman's of the world never argue over substance, they set a narrative then try use that as a sledgehammer.
How excited Putin must be that a Dem wants to primary Dems. And he sends in his online trolls to split the party that just got in.
But its not sexist to point out that her using her platform to attack Dems and minimize Russia investigations is bad for democracy.
False frame PLUS if you look at almost all the newly elected Democratic House members (and Senate) they mostly all ran campaigns that did NOT emphasise Trump/Russia, many were very open about that, many of the centrists
they ran on healthcare and pocketbook issues
I have watched dozens of interviews that back this up
it is simply inaccurate for her to single out AOC on that and try and infer that AOC is aiding Putin
MANY on here (DU) are calling for the anti-Pelosi people to be primaried. Well, who do you think the ones that AOC is talking about are? Yep, a huge overlap, as it is centrists, not liberal/progs who are calling for Pelosi out.
here Kirkman really gets loony, she says unity is actually playing into Putins hands:
And that makes Putin very happy. Liberals who oppose her tactics - dont horseshoe with Republicans and worry about her jacket. Just focus on the message of unity. Purity politics isnt uniting. Spreading disinfo about what Dems care about or dont isnt uniting.
Thinking that you have to shut up or youre not uniting is what Putin and his army want. They want you quiet. And the active measures talking points appeal to the good liberal in you.
Thinking that you have to shut up or youre not uniting is what Putin and his army want. They want you quiet. And the active measures talking points appeal to the good liberal in you.
she is arguing that not having a go at AOC is doing Putin's biding
Finally, Kirkman paints an ABSURD, over the top caricature of the leftish side of our party, amping up their so-called beliefs (and saying she was like that and thus using a rhetorical ploy of self-admittance and self-deprecation to make it look like her absurd claims are basically universal articles of faith on the left) to ridiculous levels (and basically, at subconscience levels, imply that people who believe even a scaled down (and thus much closer to the reality) version of these are Putin's tools):
I loved Bernie. I thought Jill Stein was legit. I thought Snowden was a hero. Ive always been wildly liberal and this particular moment in my...life I was personally vulnerable to wanting a revolution cuz fuck it, MY life wasnt what I wanted. I blamed Wall Street. I wanted everyone to fail who wasnt absolutely 100% pure and socialist. I didnt care if America failed in the process. convinced that a sweeping revolution could happen right away and that anyone against it was a brainwashed centrist sheep.
This phase didnt last longer than a year but Im ashamed that I had it at all. I was a politically active teenager. Organizing for environmental causes. Vegetarian since 14. I was always measured and empathetic and had friends who were not like me. But again because my personal life was not what I wanted it to be - and because I had a passion for politics, I was the perfect person to radicalize. I feel like I had a short stint in a cult.
that is a ludicrous summation of the vast majority of progressives
she is basically calling them cult members!
divisive much??????
The progressives and liberals are the ones most gun-ho to go after Trump/Putin and the ones supporting Pelosi. It's mostly the centrists that Kirkman supports who do not want this.
Maxine Waters wants to investigate Trump, but her party may resist
More moderate Democrats fear that oversight investigations will be a distraction or cause political blowback for the party.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211450676
Jen Kirkman has an out-there conspiracy theory about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Russia
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/jen-kirkman-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/
Comedian Jen Kirkman is going viral for a baffling conspiracy theory about Democrats, Russia, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
Over the weekend, Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), who made waves running on an unabashedly left-leaning platform, said she wanted to support more primary challengers to moderate Democrats. In a call with Justice Democrats, a group that supported progressives in 2018, Ocasio-Cortez said she was going to back and recruit more challengers to incumbents, according to the Intercept.
As the 2018 election showed, Democrats who are receiving challenges from the left can move moderate candidates to more left-leaning policies and platforms, instead of watching them scurry to the center to capture swing voters. But, what if the center is where Democrats should be, and any calls for things like abolishing ICE and Medicare-for-all are secretly exactly what the Russians want?
Allow comedian Kirkman to explain.
Over the past day, Kirkman, who has dropped her fair share of theories before, said she believes that Ocasio-Cortezs progressive platform is being used by Russian trolls to help divide the Democratic party. And that speaking out about progressive causes, while downplaying Russian election interference, is proof something is afoot.
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now to sum Kirkman's past work up (and this is getting pretty near to as divisive as one can get from her side
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
That is not the words of a good faith actor, those are hyper-divisive bombs, ironically the very thing she accuses AOC (and unknowingly many of the candidates she actually supported) of.
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there is zero chance that Justice Democrats and TYT are pro- No Labels/Problems Solvers
Celerity
Nov 2018
#35
I am not the one who constantly injects these memes, I think you are projecting
Celerity
Nov 2018
#59
Upon reflection (& a quick profile view,lol), I must admit that I find a TWO MONTH OLD poster (you)
Celerity
Nov 2018
#76
the poster I replied to injected Cenk and srandon and has a long history of always bringing
Celerity
Nov 2018
#110
Questioning the equation a person unaffiliated with a group with that group is not "microparsing".
lapucelle
Nov 2018
#111
I don't keep track of other people's "histories". You were the one who conflated here. N/T
lapucelle
Nov 2018
#116
I wasn't keeping track, all I did was post direct previous replies to me from them
Celerity
Nov 2018
#118
In all my years at DU (a week shy of 15) I've only come across one person....
George II
Nov 2018
#119
It's gyazo. The user screen caps, the image is saved as a link, and then the user accesses the link
lapucelle
Nov 2018
#131
Okay, so staying on topic, how many people have YOU seen post screen shots of other posts?
George II
Nov 2018
#134
If you "don't give a fuck", why did you comment in the first place? Just asking for a friend.
George II
Nov 2018
#136
Bless your heart, thanks for your concern about my well being, but I'm fine. From what I can see...
George II
Nov 2018
#145
Are you serious? You should look into their backgrounds...TYT and Justice Democrats were founded...
George II
Nov 2018
#85
I doubt many "Dems" appreciate being supported by a guy who solicited money from Buddy Roehmer.
George II
Nov 2018
#63
That doesn't make any sense. Sarandon didn't want bipartisanship with Trump or Republicans.
JCanete
Nov 2018
#11
As you know, Sarandon said before the election that it would be better for Trump
pnwmom
Nov 2018
#25
She was rooting for trump ever since the Convention ended. And she STILL, as you point out..
George II
Nov 2018
#47
Debra Messing ripped Sarandon for claiming Trump was responsible for the Dems midterm successes.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
Nov 2018
#66
It may not be encouraging, but we all know Trump was a big part of our midterm successes. Denying
JCanete
Nov 2018
#103
what does any of that argument, which is an entirely separate argument, have to do with
JCanete
Nov 2018
#105
this is not from DU at all (thank god) but here is some hack comedian saying AOC is a Russian puppet
Celerity
Nov 2018
#61
As I said (never saw here live or on television), she's very good on twitter. Why do you think...
George II
Nov 2018
#86
If you're making a reasonable point having to do with her voting Stein. YOu can't
JCanete
Nov 2018
#104
why did that belong where you posted it? How did that have to do with what my post was about?
JCanete
Nov 2018
#142
You are right, there is plenty of justifed criticism to detest Sarandon, and for that matter anyone
still_one
Nov 2018
#97
Lieberman was positioning himself as an adviser to the Republican candidate for Gov in CT.
dem4decades
Nov 2018
#56
Since you posted in my thread & now here I feel free to object to your tone aimed at fellow DUers.
UTUSN
Nov 2018
#34
That's why Trump should be called on his support. I bet he can't get one Rep to support Pelosi.
TheBlackAdder
Nov 2018
#15
Fuck 'em. It's just more bullshit being pushed by a media that wants to see Dem infighting.
scarletwoman
Nov 2018
#13
In light of the level of Dem activism during the midterms, they'd be "brave" to try it. I reckon
OnDoutside
Nov 2018
#29
Yeah, now that they've lost the House they think the time is right for some bipartisanship.
ooky
Nov 2018
#101
Looks like the "Problem Solvers Caucus" is losing its aura - it is down to 37 members...
George II
Nov 2018
#122