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Celerity

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102. we must be reading different tweets
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:34 AM
Nov 2018

Simply stating that 'I am not calling you this' but then going on to add layer upon layer of inferences is exactly that

It is accusatory through the back-door

she makes sweeping generalisations and also uses false framing techniques

She can bash AOC and it is a great thing, but AOC simply sticking up for her own agenda is somehow bad and divisive. Its a 2-way street, but not in Kirkman's world. Her critique is legit and pure as driven snow, AOC and other's are tainted and designed to aid Putin. The Kirkman's of the world never argue over substance, they set a narrative then try use that as a sledgehammer.

How excited Putin must be that a Dem wants to primary Dems. And he sends in his online trolls to split the party that just got in.


But it’s not sexist to point out that her using her platform to attack Dems and minimize Russia investigations is bad for democracy.


False frame PLUS if you look at almost all the newly elected Democratic House members (and Senate) they mostly all ran campaigns that did NOT emphasise Trump/Russia, many were very open about that, many of the centrists

they ran on healthcare and pocketbook issues

I have watched dozens of interviews that back this up

it is simply inaccurate for her to single out AOC on that and try and infer that AOC is aiding Putin

MANY on here (DU) are calling for the anti-Pelosi people to be primaried. Well, who do you think the ones that AOC is talking about are? Yep, a huge overlap, as it is centrists, not liberal/progs who are calling for Pelosi out.


here Kirkman really gets loony, she says unity is actually playing into Putins hands:

And that makes Putin very happy. Liberals who oppose her tactics - don’t horseshoe with Republicans and worry about her jacket. Just focus on the message of unity. Purity politics isn’t uniting. Spreading disinfo about what Dems care about or don’t isn’t uniting.

Thinking that you have to shut up or you’re not uniting is what Putin and his army want. They want you quiet. And the active measures talking points appeal to the good liberal in you.


she is arguing that not having a go at AOC is doing Putin's biding

Finally, Kirkman paints an ABSURD, over the top caricature of the leftish side of our party, amping up their so-called beliefs (and saying she was like that and thus using a rhetorical ploy of self-admittance and self-deprecation to make it look like her absurd claims are basically universal articles of faith on the left) to ridiculous levels (and basically, at subconscience levels, imply that people who believe even a scaled down (and thus much closer to the reality) version of these are Putin's tools):


I loved Bernie. I thought Jill Stein was legit. I thought Snowden was a hero. I’ve always been wildly liberal and this particular moment in my...life I was personally vulnerable to wanting a revolution cuz fuck it, MY life wasn’t what I wanted. I blamed Wall Street. I wanted everyone to fail who wasn’t absolutely 100% pure and socialist. I didn’t care if America failed in the process. convinced that a sweeping revolution could happen right away and that anyone against it was a brainwashed centrist sheep.


This phase didn’t last longer than a year but I’m ashamed that I had it at all. I was a politically active teenager. Organizing for environmental causes. Vegetarian since 14. I was always measured and empathetic and had friends who were not like me. But again because my personal life was not what I wanted it to be - and because I had a passion for politics, I was the perfect person to radicalize. I feel like I had a short stint in a cult.


that is a ludicrous summation of the vast majority of progressives

she is basically calling them cult members!

divisive much??????

The progressives and liberals are the ones most gun-ho to go after Trump/Putin and the ones supporting Pelosi. It's mostly the centrists that Kirkman supports who do not want this.

Maxine Waters wants to investigate Trump, but her party may resist
More moderate Democrats fear that oversight investigations will be a distraction or cause political blowback for the party.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211450676


Jen Kirkman has an out-there conspiracy theory about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Russia

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/jen-kirkman-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/

Comedian Jen Kirkman is going viral for a baffling conspiracy theory about Democrats, Russia, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Over the weekend, Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), who made waves running on an unabashedly left-leaning platform, said she wanted to support more primary challengers to moderate Democrats. In a call with Justice Democrats, a group that supported progressives in 2018, Ocasio-Cortez said she was going to back and recruit more challengers to incumbents, according to the Intercept.

As the 2018 election showed, Democrats who are receiving challenges from the left can move moderate candidates to more left-leaning policies and platforms, instead of watching them scurry to the center to capture swing voters. But, what if the center is where Democrats should be, and any calls for things like abolishing ICE and Medicare-for-all are secretly exactly what the Russians want?

Allow comedian Kirkman to explain.

Over the past day, Kirkman, who has dropped her fair share of theories before, said she believes that Ocasio-Cortez’s progressive platform is being used by Russian trolls to help divide the Democratic party. And that speaking out about progressive causes, while downplaying Russian election interference, is proof something is afoot.

snip


now to sum Kirkman's past work up (and this is getting pretty near to as divisive as one can get from her side







That is not the words of a good faith actor, those are hyper-divisive bombs, ironically the very thing she accuses AOC (and unknowingly many of the candidates she actually supported) of.
This is the Revolution that Sarandon couldn't get enough of. Bfd Nov 2018 #1
Cenk...That Figures Me. Nov 2018 #5
there is zero chance that Justice Democrats and TYT are pro- No Labels/Problems Solvers Celerity Nov 2018 #35
No one mentioned Justice Dems. Cenk is not even part of the Pac anymore. Bfd Nov 2018 #42
you are the one that constantly links them up on other threads, not me Celerity Nov 2018 #45
And? Wtf does that have to do with the subject of this thread? Bfd Nov 2018 #54
I am not the one who constantly injects these memes, I think you are projecting Celerity Nov 2018 #59
+1 melman Nov 2018 #65
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #67
Interacting with you has helped train me Celerity Nov 2018 #70
Upon reflection (& a quick profile view,lol), I must admit that I find a TWO MONTH OLD poster (you) Celerity Nov 2018 #76
A bit creepy. As we used to say, "Dox much?" George II Nov 2018 #82
How is that doxxing? melman Nov 2018 #87
... lapucelle Nov 2018 #112
In other words, nobody mentioned Justice Democrats and/or TYT until you did. lapucelle Nov 2018 #71
it was (as I posted) from another thread where that poster did the same thing Celerity Nov 2018 #74
That is quite a BMUSing post! My goodness, full of false accusations. Bfd Nov 2018 #88
DOX??? what are you talking about? Celerity Nov 2018 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author Bfd Nov 2018 #95
Lol. No. But she did have a hand in it. Just so you know. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #124
So the poster never mentioned Justice Democrats in this thread, lapucelle Nov 2018 #109
the poster I replied to injected Cenk and srandon and has a long history of always bringing Celerity Nov 2018 #110
Questioning the equation a person unaffiliated with a group with that group is not "microparsing". lapucelle Nov 2018 #111
that poster has a history of conflating Cenk and JD and TYT together Celerity Nov 2018 #113
All that post was saying is that AOC's district are Hillary R B Garr Nov 2018 #115
hello??? I am not trying to 'shut people up' Celerity Nov 2018 #117
You are the one who brought a whole tangent about R B Garr Nov 2018 #120
I don't keep track of other people's "histories". You were the one who conflated here. N/T lapucelle Nov 2018 #116
I wasn't keeping track, all I did was post direct previous replies to me from them Celerity Nov 2018 #118
In all my years at DU (a week shy of 15) I've only come across one person.... George II Nov 2018 #119
Ahh, R B Garr Nov 2018 #121
I am a gyazo user from my Skype usage, my groups uses it Celerity Nov 2018 #123
The original format was not an image. N/T lapucelle Nov 2018 #130
Why screen cap rather than post a link or excerpt? lapucelle Nov 2018 #125
It's gyazo. The user screen caps, the image is saved as a link, and then the user accesses the link lapucelle Nov 2018 #131
According to your profile Heddi Nov 2018 #133
Okay, so staying on topic, how many people have YOU seen post screen shots of other posts? George II Nov 2018 #134
Honestly, I really don't give a fuck Heddi Nov 2018 #135
If you "don't give a fuck", why did you comment in the first place? Just asking for a friend. George II Nov 2018 #136
Because you asked Heddi Nov 2018 #139
So, you research others' histories here and choose to comment on them..... George II Nov 2018 #140
So one isn't supposed to have a life outside of DU? Heddi Nov 2018 #143
Bless your heart, thanks for your concern about my well being, but I'm fine. From what I can see... George II Nov 2018 #145
It's amazing that you were able to pluck this one teeny R B Garr Nov 2018 #146
Who said anything about bmus?? You just randomly R B Garr Nov 2018 #144
Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #138
Thanks for the cogent reminders about Cenk Uyger's connections R B Garr Nov 2018 #114
'BYE' melman Nov 2018 #132
. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #147
Thanks for setting the record straight Celerity. Farmer-Rick Nov 2018 #58
Are you serious? You should look into their backgrounds...TYT and Justice Democrats were founded... George II Nov 2018 #85
what???? you utterly misread what I typed Celerity Nov 2018 #89
I guess I misread that, sorry! George II Nov 2018 #91
Totally ok! I myself have done it many times. Hugz Celerity Nov 2018 #93
+1,000,000 George II Nov 2018 #94
The poster NEVER mentioned JDems. Stop including that like it is truth. Bfd Nov 2018 #92
this is venturing into Alice Through the Looking Glass level of dross Celerity Nov 2018 #96
no it doesn't KayF Nov 2018 #38
I'm sure Russians are involved somewhere. George II Nov 2018 #43
Cenk is no friend of Democrats, that's for sure. George II Nov 2018 #48
I Agree Me. Nov 2018 #51
I disagree Farmer-Rick Nov 2018 #60
I doubt many "Dems" appreciate being supported by a guy who solicited money from Buddy Roehmer. George II Nov 2018 #63
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #68
. ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #72
That was quick! George II Nov 2018 #73
no he isn't still_one Nov 2018 #98
That doesn't make any sense. Sarandon didn't want bipartisanship with Trump or Republicans. JCanete Nov 2018 #11
As you know, Sarandon said before the election that it would be better for Trump pnwmom Nov 2018 #25
She was rooting for trump ever since the Convention ended. And she STILL, as you point out.. George II Nov 2018 #47
Debra Messing ripped Sarandon for claiming Trump was responsible for the Dems midterm successes. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2018 #66
Bazinga! George II Nov 2018 #77
It may not be encouraging, but we all know Trump was a big part of our midterm successes. Denying JCanete Nov 2018 #103
what does any of that argument, which is an entirely separate argument, have to do with JCanete Nov 2018 #105
Bingo! regnaD kciN Nov 2018 #37
+1 melman Nov 2018 #50
this is not from DU at all (thank god) but here is some hack comedian saying AOC is a Russian puppet Celerity Nov 2018 #61
Kirkman is the worst melman Nov 2018 #64
Kirkman is a funny, talented comedian. Love her! Check out her twitter feed. George II Nov 2018 #81
As I said melman Nov 2018 #84
As I said (never saw here live or on television), she's very good on twitter. Why do you think... George II Nov 2018 #86
so what am I missing qazplm135 Nov 2018 #79
read the tweet string Celerity Nov 2018 #80
she says she doesn't like her associations with certain folks qazplm135 Nov 2018 #99
we must be reading different tweets Celerity Nov 2018 #102
She voted Stein. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #83
If you're making a reasonable point having to do with her voting Stein. YOu can't JCanete Nov 2018 #104
You got all that out of the five words I posted? sheshe2 Nov 2018 #141
why did that belong where you posted it? How did that have to do with what my post was about? JCanete Nov 2018 #142
You are right, there is plenty of justifed criticism to detest Sarandon, and for that matter anyone still_one Nov 2018 #97
Cenk Uygur doesn't support No Labels Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #106
This has the stench of Republicans all over it wryter2000 Nov 2018 #2
They aren't Democrats - Lieberman certainly isn't. nt elfin Nov 2018 #4
He's not really a D. He's a convenient I Bfd Nov 2018 #14
Lieberman was positioning himself as an adviser to the Republican candidate for Gov in CT. dem4decades Nov 2018 #56
least of all Lieberman, who is a health insurance industry shill ooky Nov 2018 #100
It's a republican front underthematrix Nov 2018 #3
Here are the dems in this caucus wryter2000 Nov 2018 #6
Aren't Schrader & Welch Also Part Of The Gang Of 16? Me. Nov 2018 #8
That I don't know wryter2000 Nov 2018 #9
Welch is part of the 16 but said he wouldn't support this effort. erronis Nov 2018 #46
Esty is gone. dem4decades Nov 2018 #55
one of the big problems democrats continue to ignore is certainot Nov 2018 #137
Why even post this crap? pwb Nov 2018 #7
Ignorance Isn't Bliss Me. Nov 2018 #12
I will ignore this bliss. pwb Nov 2018 #17
Thank Goodness The Dems Don't Have To Depend On You Me. Nov 2018 #18
Yea your really helping the cause. pwb Nov 2018 #20
And They're Voting Members Of The Caucus? Me. Nov 2018 #22
Since you posted in my thread & now here I feel free to object to your tone aimed at fellow DUers. UTUSN Nov 2018 #34
... Me. Nov 2018 #36
Don't be fooled, people, this is useful to know DFW Nov 2018 #10
That's why Trump should be called on his support. I bet he can't get one Rep to support Pelosi. TheBlackAdder Nov 2018 #15
Nancy Pelosi is just a pinata to rally voters to hate Jarqui Nov 2018 #33
+1, again. Let's get our job done without allowing repugs to foul the nest. erronis Nov 2018 #52
Fuck 'em. It's just more bullshit being pushed by a media that wants to see Dem infighting. scarletwoman Nov 2018 #13
Yup the Leiberman 9. Bfd Nov 2018 #16
The Problem Is ...I Think Your Math Isn't Quite Right Me. Nov 2018 #19
Ack! You're right! I'm off by 10 - duh! scarletwoman Nov 2018 #24
Are you saying all/any of those will vote for McCarthy ? OnDoutside Nov 2018 #26
THat Will Be The Question Won't It? Me. Nov 2018 #27
In light of the level of Dem activism during the midterms, they'd be "brave" to try it. I reckon OnDoutside Nov 2018 #29
Right NOw They're Saying They Can't Vote For Her Me. Nov 2018 #30
Some tweets I posted about that... CousinIT Nov 2018 #21
Thank you. pwb Nov 2018 #23
Thank You Me. Nov 2018 #31
Like I posted elsewhere...more undercover Reaganista bullshit. pecosbob Nov 2018 #28
We need a new label for those dem 9's empedocles Nov 2018 #32
You mean, "Republicans"...? regnaD kciN Nov 2018 #44
Here's a definitive article from TruthDig (courtesy DUer Rainy) - UTUSN Nov 2018 #39
Wouldn't You Just Know Me. Nov 2018 #41
All funded by Pete Peterson blogslut Nov 2018 #40
Notice they only want to give the minority a veto... uberblonde Nov 2018 #49
Exactly Me. Nov 2018 #53
Nancy can handle them. Scruffy1 Nov 2018 #57
"...... whose mission is to combat partisan dysfunction in politics..." pangaia Nov 2018 #62
The Democrats version of the tea party...great. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #69
Bi-partisan: we'll consider not slashing the social safety net if you... Garrett78 Nov 2018 #75
Fucking morons. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #78
Yeah, now that they've lost the House they think the time is right for some bipartisanship. ooky Nov 2018 #101
Yeah, funny thing about that DFW Nov 2018 #107
This infighting MFM008 Nov 2018 #108
Looks like the "Problem Solvers Caucus" is losing its aura - it is down to 37 members... George II Nov 2018 #122
Leverage...The Polite Term For Blackmail Me. Nov 2018 #126
Rayguns democrats strike again workinclasszero Nov 2018 #127
Surely We Can Do Better Me. Nov 2018 #128
+1 workinclasszero Nov 2018 #129
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