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17. I firmly believe in what John Trudell said

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:25 AM

Dec 2018

- Santee Dakota activist, artist, and poet (1946-2015) : I am not looking to overthrow the American government, the corporate state already has.

The corporate state already has...........................

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The fact GM is shifting production to Mexico is not just for labor costs, missing in the media [View all] Fred Sanders Dec 2018 OP

THIS! Zoonart Dec 2018 #1

I will never accept that 'good' change puts American workers out of a job while giving jobs to Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #14

Jeez no one has said anything about Fords manuvering.... Historic NY Dec 2018 #31

I know. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #41

Right TheFarseer Dec 2018 #33

Exactly right. We need jobs or all the good things like Medicare and social security...go Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #43

Auto jobs *were* good paying jobs, 50 years ago Recursion Dec 2018 #34

Not true...my son make $30.00 an hour ...he was hired five years ago. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #39

Hey, your a tariff man! GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #37

If done correctly, you bet. Trump is too dumb to use this tool effectively. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #38

We often agree Demsrule, but not here. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #42

Blaming China as he boogeyman is yet another ploy of Western business media, seems all is fsir Fred Sanders Dec 2018 #49

I can't diagree at all GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #57

GOP tax bill cut taxes on foreign production, driving US plant closures lostnfound Dec 2018 #2

Sherrod Brown saying tax bill drove plant closures. WHY ARENT ALL DEMS TALKING ABOUT THIS? lostnfound Dec 2018 #3

In other words, the repug tax scam gutted thousands of American jobs out or our system. brush Dec 2018 #9

It's not the narrative. watoos Dec 2018 #16

The tax heist's GILTI provision allowing corporations Hortensis Dec 2018 #55

I heard it too from Sherrod Brown. It needs repeating -- and often! n/t Pobeka Dec 2018 #6

Actually, everyone gets to deduct foreign income taxes DeminPennswoods Dec 2018 #54

That's true but connection to drop in overall rate. 22% to 11% is much more than half lostnfound Dec 2018 #56

Yep, I see your point DeminPennswoods Dec 2018 #59

Steel and aluminum is tariff free in Mexico Cicada Dec 2018 #4

Trump will never have any credibility in this area Mr.Bill Dec 2018 #5

There is no qualifier for Trump and credibility... Moostache Dec 2018 #8

The only shred he still holds because of thst is because the corporate media thst also Fred Sanders Dec 2018 #50

Kick - people need to see this thread rurallib Dec 2018 #7

100kw solar packs with invertor, plug and play is going for 200 bucks now. Fred Sanders Dec 2018 #51

RE electric cars: where is the electricity going to come from. Power plants take 5+ years to build Dorn Dec 2018 #10

Trust the market here JCMach1 Dec 2018 #15

Unfortunately SHRED Dec 2018 #20

Rooftop solar SHRED Dec 2018 #19

Endangers people who don't know to stay away from dicking with DC to AC converters. Blue_true Dec 2018 #24

Really? SHRED Dec 2018 #35

PV produces DC. Blue_true Dec 2018 #46

Shred, rooftop generating power for an electric car is going to be the killer app of the century. Fred Sanders Dec 2018 #52

I don't think capacity is a problem. Scruffy1 Dec 2018 #23

If every has a EV and charge at night, that time period power demand will explode. Blue_true Dec 2018 #25

low oil prices are great for consumers but many red states depend on higher prices elmac Dec 2018 #11

I get it, but it s the same argument made just before the steel factories closed and yet Fred Sanders Dec 2018 #53

It's just the opposite, what I heard on media: GM is NOT going to push EV. Plus, TAX INCENTIVES. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #12

So part of the 'good' news is we lose jobs...sorry not buying that...GM sucks to do this and Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #13

Building Electric Vehicles Here people Dec 2018 #18

Gas taxes in Europe are substantually higher than here MichMan Dec 2018 #28

I firmly believe in what John Trudell said turbinetree Dec 2018 #17

Might I say again....MEXICANS BUY THE CARS!! Americans don't. Hulk Dec 2018 #21

Except that they big three alll manufacture big pickup trucks in Mexico MichMan Dec 2018 #29

...and they purchase pick ups as well Hulk Dec 2018 #36

Good point misanthrope Dec 2018 #47

Electric vehicles can never be zero emission. Blue_true Dec 2018 #22

Why are you ignoring nuclear power in your list? former9thward Dec 2018 #27

You make a valid point. But eventhough nukes don't generate emissions, there is the issue of spent Blue_true Dec 2018 #30

We have no viable long range disaster plan for nuclear. delisen Dec 2018 #32

They seem to have no problem with them in Europe or elsewhere former9thward Dec 2018 #45

Europe actively moving away from nuclear in many European countries delisen Dec 2018 #48

Interesting Power 2 the People Dec 2018 #26

electric cars can be made anywhere - they're actually simpler harumph Dec 2018 #40

That doesn't mean that for our benefit they should not be made right here. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #44

Just bought a plug-in hybrid. Made in Korea. Liberal In Texas Dec 2018 #58