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Caliman73

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30. Perhaps or perhaps not.

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:44 PM

Dec 2018

The only reason that I would agree with you at this time is that the presence of Fox News and the right wing media ecosystem would insure that a not insignificant segment of the population would not get the actual facts about the charges against Trump. That might be enough to shield the Republicans from significant backlash.

In a world without the echo chamber this would be way easier than it was to persuade Nixon to leave during Watergate and the Republicans who fought against conviction of Trump in the Senate would lose their seats.

Mueller's case looks to be getting stronger and stronger regarding actual serious crimes that Trump and his administration have committed. It would be tantamount to treason for the Republicans not to understand that and do what is correct, in a sane world.

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Damn Laurence O'Donnell is being a d*ck tonight [View all] Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 OP

?? how so? Roland99 Dec 2018 #1

Not getting a conviction in the Senate would backfire... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #2

No responsible Prosecutor would bring changes Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #8

Never is a long time jberryhill Dec 2018 #12

Agreed. We have no idea what's going to be in Mueller's report. pnwmom Dec 2018 #31

Right. Like Nixon, the time will be right when Hortensis Dec 2018 #65

Well said. OnDoutside Dec 2018 #81

That's a false equivalence. No responsible prosecutor faces a "jury" of corrupt cultists Azathoth Dec 2018 #35

No they will be heroes to the FAUX News crowd Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #43

As if impeaching or not impeaching has any bearing on those folks. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #60

It won't Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #68

They are already heroes to those folks. Impeachment doesn't require the support of Trump's base. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #80

No but it requires 67 votes in the Senate Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #86

Screw the FAUX news crowd uponit7771 Dec 2018 #111

Sure Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #114

Fire them up, they do ... NOT ... have the political critical mass to mean anything outside of the.. uponit7771 Dec 2018 #116

Is that why the GOP gained seats in the Senate? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #118

Partially, take out the ... OBVIOUS ... BS in Florida and GA and they don't gain anything uponit7771 Dec 2018 #120

Maybe Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #124

Amen Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #93

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2018 #110

First off, we don't know what the charges will be krispos42 Dec 2018 #61

I agree wait and see Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #67

Wait for more info, of course. But so many are saying to Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #94

Yeah, well, some people want to keep the powder so dry... krispos42 Dec 2018 #109

Wow..re: powder dry ...what a brilliant poetic statement. Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #117

I think you're right, Garrett78. Qutzupalotl Dec 2018 #18

It depends. RDANGELO Dec 2018 #21

Well said n/t malaise Dec 2018 #58

+1. John Dean just called for impeachment. Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #92

One way, or the other GWC58 Dec 2018 #119

I do not believe impeaching Trump is political suicide standingtall Dec 2018 #3

No. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #6

Thanks Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #13

Thanks back attya, Trumpocalypse!!! sheshe2 Dec 2018 #15

I suspect almost everyone here KNOWS that impeachment req. 218 votes in the House. napi21 Dec 2018 #16

There are real crimes JonLP24 Dec 2018 #19

The GOP is no longer just partisan. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #24

And this is why we need Pelosi grantcart Dec 2018 #25

Correct! sheshe2 Dec 2018 #26

Will it be on the midterm? grantcart Dec 2018 #27

Oh no....not you saying that. :( Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #96

Dems shouldn't move on this now and when/if they do, must have an endgame EffieBlack Dec 2018 #33

Exactly! nt Raine Dec 2018 #38

Almost exactly the words of Laurence Tribe canetoad Dec 2018 #34

Where in the constitution does it say they get ONE shot? Azathoth Dec 2018 #36

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2018 #112

I did not claim that there would be 67 senators to convict standingtall Dec 2018 #37

Is there some law he can only be impeached once? eShirl Dec 2018 #52

Naive approach - trump has committed federal crimes. Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #95

It's the duty of the house. Scruffy1 Dec 2018 #72

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. manor321 Dec 2018 #4

Thank you. H2O Man Dec 2018 #5

Please tell me where we have 67 votes in the Senate. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #9

We have 49 right now, working on 18 more.... pbmus Dec 2018 #51

The number 67 is irrelevant right now. KPN Dec 2018 #79

Until the republicans change their tune... sheshe2 Dec 2018 #17

Yes romana Dec 2018 #20

Exactly Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #40

What is worse? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #44

Exactly. Impeachment is on the table. The only KPN Dec 2018 #78

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2018 #113

I agree with him rufus dog Dec 2018 #7

Hearings are one thing Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #10

You are correct. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #29

Perhaps or perhaps not. Caliman73 Dec 2018 #30

i Agree Me. Dec 2018 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Dec 2018 #14

Lawrence is right. The House "Impeaches" 67 votes in the Senate are required for "removal" allgood33 Dec 2018 #22

+1000 Pachamama Dec 2018 #77

I watched Lawrence tonight.... chillfactor Dec 2018 #23

Unless there is a possibility of getting 67 votes Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #28

Without 67 votes in the Senate redstateblues Dec 2018 #32

No it would not it would make republicans in the senate complicit standingtall Dec 2018 #39

Lawrence is the man Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #41

So you want Trump re-elected Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #45

I don't agree that it will reelect him Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #46

It will fire up his base Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #47

He needs more than his base to get re-elected. Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #48

Thank you. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2018 #56

No he doesn't Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #62

He didn't just get elected with his base, though Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #88

They are still part of his base Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #89

Some, not all. Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #90

Not as many as you think. Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #99

Not how I see it Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #101

See it or Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #105

Uh huh Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #122

Indies and moderates will turn on us Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #49

Some maybe Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #91

You're lumping all people who voted for Trump as his unshakable base Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #97

Most are Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #98

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #100

You can "agree to disagree" Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #104

Uh huh Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #121

When are they not fired up? eShirl Dec 2018 #53

Exactly. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2018 #57

So let's fire them up even more? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #106

No matter what crimes this horrible idiot commits onetexan Dec 2018 #102

Unless Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #103

that's BS onetexan Dec 2018 #107

Maybe so Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #123

you are exaggerating JI7 Dec 2018 #42

So we should just ignore a crime against our nation? RhodeIslandOne Dec 2018 #50

No he can be prosecuted after he leaves office Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #63

You are basically saying Trump can whatever he pleases RhodeIslandOne Dec 2018 #71

Don't put words in my mouth Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #75

And because there's no chance of conviction ever..... RhodeIslandOne Dec 2018 #82

Not what I said. Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #85

The notion that impeaching Trump and having Republican senators keep him in office... regnaD kciN Dec 2018 #54

It will Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #66

Impeachment wouldn't be popular Awsi Dooger Dec 2018 #55

O'Donnell tried to get Steve Cohen to say DeminPennswoods Dec 2018 #59

I agree with Cohen Sunsky Dec 2018 #69

Well said Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #70

I think we have to wait for the full Mueller report before deciding anything. Vinca Dec 2018 #64

Exactly Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #76

As usual, Laurence O'Donnell speaks for me. (nt) Paladin Dec 2018 #73

First, we better make sure we have the votes in the House. There are Democrats in red districts that Hoyt Dec 2018 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author pecosbob Dec 2018 #83

I have to disagree with those that say that impeachment without 67 is pointless pecosbob Dec 2018 #84

Better to let the people vote him out in 20 Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #87

i want to see Muellers report.. if theres a clear crime then i vote YES! samnsara Dec 2018 #108

But you won't be voting Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #115