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intaglio

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84. Please remember I am a supporter of Assange

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:26 PM

Aug 2012

Now, try and get your story straight.

Firstly women in Sweden are more likely to report rape; i.e they have less fear of the system.
Secondly, The reported rapes in Sweden are 46.5 per 100,000.
Thirdly, Sweden achieves convictions in 10% of the cases. This compares to the UK with 6%.

The Swedish system works better for rape than any other country that I know of; but it is still not perfect.

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What motivates the outrage over Julian Assange's Political Asylum? [View all] whatchamacallit Aug 2012 OP

If there are two sides to the Assange issue... randome Aug 2012 #1

Right, ok whatchamacallit Aug 2012 #2

I'm drawn to subjects like this BECAUSE they are difficult to parse and understand. randome Aug 2012 #3

*derp* No one is buying that. Zorra Aug 2012 #9

You *meant* to prove him right with that response, right? Robb Aug 2012 #40

Did you have any objection to the spamming of the board yesterday sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #16

You begin by mischaracterizing your opponent? One need not think of Assange as a "hero" to think Marr Aug 2012 #105

Knowing what their government actually does is frightening to many people who yearn to believe in Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #4

Yep. Assange aired our government's dirty laundry. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #6

"They" means President Obama, right? brooklynite Aug 2012 #15

Included, of course tama Aug 2012 #35

Since I'm not a leftist or a revolutionary, I guess I'm immune from conspiracy theories brooklynite Aug 2012 #37

I am immune to conspiracy theories also. That's why I support the new media sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #55

propanganda and brainwashing datasuspect Aug 2012 #5

Yep. Except on DU. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #41

Yep. We must maintain a civilized atmosphere of cordiality and respect. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #43

Astroturfers. Like someone here since 2004, 4,000 posts Robb Aug 2012 #44

The reason for some, at least, sensational word attached to the accusations intaglio Aug 2012 #7

That's a reasonable assessment of the issues, but whatchamacallit Aug 2012 #8

He's not properly charged with anything, he's wanted for questioning in Sweden. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #10

Great assessment. I'd stipulate also that there's also a great deal of misogyny riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #11

Yet another "pro-Assange" person that has no idea what the allegations even are TorchTheWitch Aug 2012 #12

They are WRONG because the women themselves don't call it rape, nor want charges. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #17

On the matter of rape intaglio Aug 2012 #51

I think you are confusing two different issues reorg Aug 2012 #52

You are not talking about a legal system based on Common Law intaglio Aug 2012 #56

I know reorg Aug 2012 #57

Patriarchal and paternal structure designed to strip women of their own authority riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #62

I agree, it is currently humiliating and degrading in an adversarial court system intaglio Aug 2012 #69

Sweden has some of the WOST prosecution rates of rape in Europe riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #70

Please remember I am a supporter of Assange intaglio Aug 2012 #84

Both women told very different stories about their consensual sexual sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #19

Hmm tama Aug 2012 #36

Obviously, you have never bothered to study the facts reorg Aug 2012 #48

Like many you are confusing Complaint and Charge intaglio Aug 2012 #50

two things Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #59

There is precedent for the prosecutor examining Assange in the UK intaglio Aug 2012 #61

The UK court found that the European Warrant for Assange indicated rape was one of the charges struggle4progress Aug 2012 #100

Who is outraged? treestar Aug 2012 #13

Lol! whatchamacallit Aug 2012 #14

+1000000000 kaboombs more. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #18

When does he ever talk about them or when do those on this board? treestar Aug 2012 #20

Keep throwing those strawman arguments! backscatter712 Aug 2012 #22

How have you responded to what I said? treestar Aug 2012 #25

He has talked about them consistently over the past number of years. Just because sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #23

Why don't you mention them then? treestar Aug 2012 #26

You can try this: http://wikileaks.org/ Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #109

Oh really? I don't see anything about that treestar Aug 2012 #28

Is he wanted here? I thought you were all saying he is imagining that the US sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #33

Nope, journalism is not a crime... HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #42

I don't know, I saw the crimes against humanity and hoped that something sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #21

I'm of two minds on the subject Prophet 451 Aug 2012 #24

Bingo. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #31

He has appeared and he has been questioned, in Sweden. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #34

You must have a rather unique definition of availablity. cemaphonic Aug 2012 #39

No, there is no question that he has been available for two years to speak to the sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #46

Well yes, Sweden never wanted to merely "speak" with him in the UK as an informal witness, cemaphonic Aug 2012 #49

I'm sorry, but this is simply not true. He has already been arrested in London sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #54

I don't see why they can't go after him for this treestar Aug 2012 #72

If only "they" had a better record, it might not seem like such petty persecution. Pholus Aug 2012 #76

So you're saying because the UK decided not to extradite Pinochet to Spain then treestar Aug 2012 #77

Obviously it is their perogative to selectively enforce their laws. Pholus Aug 2012 #80

It would take really finding out treestar Aug 2012 #92

I hardly "like Julian" that much. However, Pholus Aug 2012 #94

This is a different process tjwmason Aug 2012 #110

OK, so "totally different." Pholus Aug 2012 #111

But that's the point, he has never been charged with that Prophet 451 Aug 2012 #86

He's identifying what a War Hero warned orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #27

Exactly!!! Ike knew it then and now is a zillion times worse. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #30

Many don't like mirrors held up IMO and react accordingly. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #29

Outrage can be bought. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #32

That's right. Astroturfers and Psy-Ops operatives do not exist here. Just ask them. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2012 #38

This railroading attempt is an insult to any thinking persons intelligence. 99Forever Aug 2012 #45

and this obstruction of justice is an insult to any who value justice, so whats yer point? Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #60

What "obstruction of justice" would that be? 99Forever Aug 2012 #63

speaking truth to power isn't a permission slip to break the law(nor a get out of jail card ) n/t Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #74

One MORE time. 99Forever Aug 2012 #78

he can't bloody be charged properly until after the interview he skipped from Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #81

Hogwash. 99Forever Aug 2012 #87

i'm not fooling anybody Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #90

Every phony talking point you are trying to make has been .. 99Forever Aug 2012 #91

follow my posts that much do you? i'm flattered :) n/t Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #93

Huh? 99Forever Aug 2012 #95

hey, i'm only taking you at your word :) Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #96

Justice for who? The women who say there's no crime? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #64

i haven't seem em say there was no crime Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #73

Oh, then you DO believe women should be stripped of their own authority to make their own decisions riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #75

nope Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #79

What a difference a full translation makes. Thanks, Bodhi bloodWave. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #83

And you are skipping all of the other evidence, the women's own texts and sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #104

Where is the part that "describes rape according to swedish law"? HiPointDem Aug 2012 #114

Voluntary one night doesn't mean voluntary the next morning. pnwmom Aug 2012 #82

voluntary five minutes before and not stopping during the incident in question reorg Aug 2012 #85

According to this quote, he entered her when she was asleep. An unconscious woman pnwmom Aug 2012 #88

excuse me, do you require a signature on a written form reorg Aug 2012 #97

According to her statement, she NEVER gave prior consent for sex pnwmom Aug 2012 #98

she was "consenting" several times over reorg Aug 2012 #99

The fact that she had "let it be" when she discovered after intercourse began pnwmom Aug 2012 #101

you still don't even know what you are talking about reorg Aug 2012 #102

She made it perfectly clear that she required him to use a condom. He used one with reluctance pnwmom Aug 2012 #106

if it is rape reorg Aug 2012 #107

"only in the Saudi-Arabia of feminism will a prosecutor construe this as rape." pnwmom Aug 2012 #108

He loved Big Brother. Octafish Aug 2012 #47

What a shit poll. And I'm pro-asylum for Assange. cali Aug 2012 #53

Oh no! whatchamacallit Aug 2012 #65

What motivates the idol worship of St. Julian?...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #58

mumia must be jealous... dionysus Aug 2012 #113

shallow thinking H2O Man Aug 2012 #66

If MSM did their job in investigating reporting, the world would not avebury Aug 2012 #67

People don't want to believe our country has changed so much that we now allow indefinite detention. Overseas Aug 2012 #68

I've actually had DUers tell me we don't do that anymore. Conveniently ignoring how many in Gitmo riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #71

We were so glad when our president ordered that torture stop on day one. But habeas corpus Overseas Aug 2012 #89

A paycheck. /nt Marr Aug 2012 #103

kick Zorra Aug 2012 #112

Well. woo me with science Aug 2012 #115

kick woo me with science Aug 2012 #116