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Gothmog

(153,070 posts)
83. Nader was rove's puppet
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 09:09 PM
Feb 2019

I will never forgive nader Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html


Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader’s campaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP’s Laura Meckler headlined “GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads.” She opened: “Hoping to boost Ralph Nader in states where he is threatening to hurt Al Gore, a Republican group is launching TV ads featuring Nader attacking the vice president [Mr. Gore]. ... ‘Al Gore is suffering from election year delusion if he thinks his record on the environment is anything to be proud of,’ Nader says [in the commercial]. An announcer interjects: ‘What’s Al Gore’s real record?’ Nader says: ‘Eight years of principles betrayed and promises broken.’” Meckler’s report continued: “A spokeswoman for the Green Party nominee said that his campaign had no control over what other organizations do with Nader’s speeches.” Bush’s people - the group sponsoring this particular ad happened to be the Republican Leadership Council - knew exactly what they were doing, even though the liberal suckers who voted so carelessly for Ralph Nader obviously did not. Anyone who drives a car the way those liberal fools voted, faces charges of criminal negligence, at the very least. But this time, the entire nation crashed as a result; not merely a single car.....

On July 9th, the San Francisco Chronicle headlined “GOP Doners Funding Nader: Bush Supporters Give Independent’s Bid a Financial Lift,” and reported that the Nader campaign “has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party,” according to “an analysis of federal records.” Perhaps these contributors were Ambassador Egan’s other friends. Mr. Egan’s wife was now listed among the Nader contributors. Another listed was “Nijad Fares, a Houston businessman, who donated $200,000 to the Bush inaugural committee and who donated $2,000 each to the Nader effort and the Bush campaign this year.” Furthermore, Ari Berman reported 7 October 2004 at the Nation, under “Swift Boat Veterans for Nader,” that some major right-wing funders of a Republican smear campaign against Senator John Kerry’s Vietnam service contributed also $13,500 to the Nader campaign, and that “the Republican Party of Michigan gathered ninety percent of Nader’s signatures in their state” (90%!) to place Nader on the ballot so Bush could win that swing state’s 17 electoral votes. Clearly, the word had gone out to Bush’s big contributors: Help Ralphie boy! In fact, on 15 September 2005, John DiStaso of the Manchester Union-Leader, reported that, “A year ago, as the Presidential general election campaign raged in battleground state New Hampshire, consumer advocate Ralph Nader found his way onto the ballot, with the help of veteran Republican strategist David Carney and the Carney-owned Norway Hill Associates consulting firm.”

It was obvious, based upon the 2000 election results, that a dollar contributed to Nader in the 2004 contest would probably be a more effective way to achieve a Bush win against Kerry in the U.S. Presidential election than were perhaps even ten dollars contributed to Bush. This was a way of peeling crucial votes off from Bush’s real opponent - votes that otherwise would have gone to the Democrat. That’s why the smartest Republican money in the 2004 Presidential election was actually going to Nader, even more so than to Bush himself: these indirect Bush contributions provided by far the biggest bang for the right-wing buck.
No path to victory. Not going to be VP or in the cabinet. No need to boost public profile. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #1
Maybe he'll team up as Schultz's VP for an independent run madville Feb 2019 #12
Realclearpolitics has him in 2nd place behind Biden in the latest tracking. CentralMass Feb 2019 #178
Name recognition. Polls, including the hypothetical matchup ones, are meaningless at this point. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #184
I'll support him. Joe941 Feb 2019 #2
Me too. nt Snotcicles Feb 2019 #3
Me three!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #13
I WON'T. trueblue2007 Feb 2019 #18
I would oppose him with every fiber of my being! kennetha Feb 2019 #20
+1 grantcart Feb 2019 #27
What if he's the Democratic nominee though? aidbo Feb 2019 #46
He won't be. Don't worry. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #60
Without support from African. AMERICAN voters, this cannot happen Gothmog Feb 2019 #114
Agreed. Adrahil Feb 2019 #47
I am totally with you wryter2000 Feb 2019 #65
And this time, he can't claim it's to try to push Dems to be more progressive Empowerer Feb 2019 #117
Yes. kstewart33 Feb 2019 #122
Agreed! DemKittyNC Feb 2019 #52
Me too!!!!! jrthin Feb 2019 #64
+1 nt Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #108
Ditto. Will not vote for a socialist. n/t Lucid Dreamer Feb 2019 #119
Same. I will ONLY vote for him if he is the Democratic nominee. Runningdawg Feb 2019 #142
A large number of actual members of the Democratic Party have long memories Gothmog Feb 2019 #148
Me as well pandr32 Feb 2019 #151
So would I...Ralph Nader cost Gore the election....Bush winning the election resulted in Stuart G Feb 2019 #166
I'll support Bernie with every fiber of my being!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #176
Me 4. nt Doremus Feb 2019 #179
Is he running for the Democratic Nomination? NightWatcher Feb 2019 #4
No doubt when it is convenient still_one Feb 2019 #5
Just as convenient as when he votes with the Dems (which is far more than many Dems do) nt Doremus Feb 2019 #180
No doubt... only way I'll vote for him. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #14
bernie is NOT A DEMOCRAT!!! if he changes just to run .... that is just opportunistic. trueblue2007 Feb 2019 #19
And dishonest and manipulative and ..... NightWatcher Feb 2019 #22
I expect better. Loyalty. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #62
Bernie's more of a Democrat than most Democrats based on his voting record. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #132
Then why does he call the party "ideologically bankrupt"? betsuni Feb 2019 #175
Are you saying you prefer Bernie caucus with the (R)s? Just for the record. nt Doremus Feb 2019 #181
HE trashs the Democratic Party as much as Trump, no doubt trueblue2007 Feb 2019 #185
He votes with the Dems more than some actual Dems. Doremus Feb 2019 #186
this Baltimike Feb 2019 #172
While trashing the Democratic Party more than Trump, no doubt Clash City Rocker Feb 2019 #30
Might too little too late Seasider Feb 2019 #6
I do hope that Democrats will finally conclude that he is not a Democrat question everything Feb 2019 #7
He has such contempt for our party... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #71
I wish he wouldn't. I see no purpose for him stirring these things theophilus Feb 2019 #8
"Bernie adds nothing"?! LOL, that's why every serious declared candidate so far has adopted the same InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #150
Fool me once ... etc. nt Apollyonus Feb 2019 #9
I think ole Bernie snowybirdie Feb 2019 #10
no doubt he will conveniently become a Democrat again, but hopefully with California moving their still_one Feb 2019 #11
Even if the race isn't decided by Super Tuesday, as it was in 2016, Sanders won't be in the running. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #35
His base argues that it is to push his issues still_one Feb 2019 #39
He's done that. And Democrats, generally speaking, have the same positions. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #45
I agree still_one Feb 2019 #50
No path to victory? I hope you are right. comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #57
If you look at the primary schedule, it gets really rough for Sanders after New Hampshire. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #82
Yes, and wryter2000 Feb 2019 #67
It appears that sanders latest poorly reviewed book is not selling Gothmog Feb 2019 #149
Sanders is last year's news. No way he can compete with the Ds who have already announced. stopbush Feb 2019 #15
HARD PASS nt backabby-blue Feb 2019 #16
MEANIE!!!!! QC Feb 2019 #17
NO! peggysue2 Feb 2019 #21
And I'll point out that Kamala's voting record is almost identical to Warren's. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #37
I like them both and . . . peggysue2 Feb 2019 #40
Except that Warren has 6 years to KH's 2 years. aikoaiko Feb 2019 #87
Kamala appears to be the chosen one... Stellar Feb 2019 #101
Do you know that they weren't offered one? Empowerer Feb 2019 #118
Klobuchar has 1 coming up, and we don't know if others have declined. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #137
Not so I like Klobuchar and I tell ya what when there are those INdemo Feb 2019 #155
I didn't say anything about not liking Klobuchar. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #161
Ok... INdemo Feb 2019 #164
He could do so much more for his issues by endorsing musicblind Feb 2019 #89
Just go away Bernie. Little Star Feb 2019 #23
🙄nt helpisontheway Feb 2019 #24
No more Bernie. honest.abe Feb 2019 #25
No comment RandySF Feb 2019 #26
Nope NastyRiffraff Feb 2019 #28
I would be happy to give him MuseRider Feb 2019 #29
What about his tax returns? Apollyonus Feb 2019 #127
Perhaps if you read the entire post, it really was not too long, MuseRider Feb 2019 #130
He only sent two pages of a 2014 return Apollyonus Feb 2019 #131
WTH? MuseRider Feb 2019 #134
Very much. Thank you kindly. nt Apollyonus Feb 2019 #140
I can't wait to hear BS answer debate questions about the allegations of sexual violence lapucelle Feb 2019 #31
Those will be interesting questions Gothmog Feb 2019 #115
Bernie Supporters at Reddit riverine Feb 2019 #32
Some Democrats do want Bernie's help. I'm one of them. aikoaiko Feb 2019 #94
What help? Apollyonus Feb 2019 #125
He helps us voice more lefter positions. aikoaiko Feb 2019 #154
Cool story bro n/t Apollyonus Feb 2019 #157
I really want to see sanders' tax returns Gothmog Feb 2019 #33
Abssolutely Apollyonus Feb 2019 #51
To get on the ballot in Maryland, sanders will have to release tax reurns Gothmog Feb 2019 #63
I can't imagine he'll still be in the race on April 28. 2016 was tailor-made for Sanders. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #95
The filing deadline for Maryland will be long before the primary date Gothmog Feb 2019 #96
Good point. When is the deadline, I wonder. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #97
Is that true? The last I heard the Maryland State Senate passed that bill, but the House never even Midwestern Democrat Feb 2019 #113
This bill was signed Gothmog Feb 2019 #183
Meh Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2019 #34
lol ! stonecutter357 Feb 2019 #36
So he's saying that none of the ones who've already declared are any good? KitSileya Feb 2019 #38
Well, ya know they are only running on being women or POC.... Adrahil Feb 2019 #126
Yeah, because their detailed policies, practical solutions, and in-depth knowledge KitSileya Feb 2019 #145
Bernie will get to the bottom of Trump's tax return concealment. oasis Feb 2019 #41
Not concealing his own would be a great start. BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #44
lulz nt Apollyonus Feb 2019 #54
Whoopie... /s nt GemDigger Feb 2019 #42
The rules have changed and now sanders will have to join the party if he wants to run Gothmog Feb 2019 #43
Or it will cause him to run as an Indie, split the vote and we're stuck with Trump. Vinca Feb 2019 #48
Anyone who votes for an independent deserves Trump. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #53
That's nice, but it also means we're stuck with Trump. Vinca Feb 2019 #85
That's why we need to get out the vote for the real Democrats LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #90
Most of us will, but Bernie is a far bigger threat to split the vote than the Starbucks guy. Vinca Feb 2019 #105
Sanders isn't going to run as a 3rd party candidate. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #138
His legacy would then remain as a spoiler .. forever nt Apollyonus Feb 2019 #55
Nader is still hated for his efforts to give W the 2000 election Gothmog Feb 2019 #61
I know I still hate him wryter2000 Feb 2019 #68
Nader was rove's puppet Gothmog Feb 2019 #83
As are his supporters. I hate them all. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #70
Same here Gothmog Feb 2019 #79
That would kill his book sales Gothmog Feb 2019 #59
yawn nt Apollyonus Feb 2019 #49
Bernie is all about Bernie. Stay in the Senate. SCRUBDASHRUB Feb 2019 #56
And ... while losing the primary Apollyonus Feb 2019 #66
Exactly. honest.abe Feb 2019 #84
You nailed him. He will also continue to run/campaign Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #109
+1000 nt Apollyonus Feb 2019 #121
And attacks on real Democrats like Congressman John Lewis Gothmog Feb 2019 #163
Oh for fucks sake. BlueStater Feb 2019 #58
I have a $100 donation ready for the day he announces. eom roody Feb 2019 #69
I love Bernie !!! SamKnause Feb 2019 #72
Do you agree with someone who says that... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #74
Nothing says 'vote for Dems' like bashing the entire Dem Party! Chemisse Feb 2019 #77
You're absolutely correct! It serves no good purpose for anyone... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #81
I love Bernie but I'm concerned he would swap back to Independent once elected PTWB Feb 2019 #73
Nothing. Nothing at all. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #75
Sanders altered the conversation. we see that through our 2020 candidates. Kurt V. Feb 2019 #76
Which Sanders is More Destructive? Darson Feb 2019 #78
+1000 nt Apollyonus Feb 2019 #124
Win or lose Bernie has been a big reason the Democratic Party is moving in the right direction. jalan48 Feb 2019 #80
Nope. Thank you, next. grossproffit Feb 2019 #86
I welcome Bernie as much as anyone at this point. aikoaiko Feb 2019 #88
hear, hear! Stellar Feb 2019 #104
Same here. aikoaiko Feb 2019 #153
Oh brother! GMAFB! Nobody is saying that. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #143
There are plenty of people telling Bernie to go away aikoaiko Feb 2019 #152
Nobody is chasing away Bernie supporters. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #156
What I'm talking about has nothing to do with Bernie's feelings aikoaiko Feb 2019 #165
Neither was I. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #167
He has been a parasite on the Democratic party; he deserves no more help from us. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #91
I think it would be great if he runs! David__77 Feb 2019 #92
What's positive about having anyone falsely claim there's "no difference" NurseJackie Feb 2019 #93
It is not good enough to say, 'Hey, I'm an independent senator, runner-up in the 2016 contest for betsuni Feb 2019 #98
I love Bernie and he is my first choice. Stellar Feb 2019 #99
Who are "corporate Democrats"? betsuni Feb 2019 #100
Poster is using a divisive slam. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #120
Sorry, BS is too divisive.. I want to Win.. Cha Feb 2019 #168
Mahalo! NurseJackie Feb 2019 #170
Yes, We Want to WIN!! Another BLUE WAVE!!! Cha Feb 2019 #173
He's had two years to get his tax returns together. So when will he release them? n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #102
I don't understand this: betsuni Feb 2019 #103
I dislike her a lot... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #133
Reality check. AOC is going to endorse him padah513 Feb 2019 #106
I'm not sure that will matter much. kstewart33 Feb 2019 #123
What has AOC accomplished, again?!? Oh, right. She got elected. And then?? PubliusEnigma Feb 2019 #129
I'd give her more than one month to show what she can accomplish. nt Stellar Feb 2019 #159
Supported him. Then supported Hillary. Will not support him this time. rainin Feb 2019 #107
Bernie's a contender and I'm good with him running again. Autumn Feb 2019 #110
Are you "happy to hear him talking about"... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #135
Here's a difference Jackie. I listen to what he says, not out of context snippets. As long as Bernie Autumn Feb 2019 #136
Oh it's very clear what he's saying, Autumn. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #139
I don't take issue with you liking him but he has no shot at getting nominated. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #141
There are several others who have no shot at getting nominated. I'm stiill good with Autumn Feb 2019 #144
But, we can make some fairly accurate educated guesses using common sense. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #146
Some run to be considered for VP or a cabinet post. Or to boost their public profile. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #158
It doesn't matter if it's all downhill after New Hampshire for Sanders. As far as I'm concerned Autumn Feb 2019 #160
Allies are supposed to be supportive. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #162
The Second Time Around DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #111
I like Bernie just fine...but just like last time he ain't getting my vote in a DEMOCRATIC primary. UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #112
I'm So Excited DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #116
Time to fade away now, Bernie. PubliusEnigma Feb 2019 #128
He got clobbered in Florida during the 2016 primary: Scurrilous Feb 2019 #147
I would respect this so much more had he worked to get Clinton elected. NT WeekiWater Feb 2019 #169
And all the Democrats with her. We were a shoo-in for control of the senate! Hortensis Feb 2019 #171
I'm tired of clicking off Sanders, don't want more. How about Ralph Nader instead?! Hortensis Feb 2019 #174
I like Bernie Sanders, but time to give the next genreration the baton..... ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2019 #177
Hopefully he'll push the party left again this time, as he did in 2016. Doremus Feb 2019 #182
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