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watoos

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24. Yes, you get it,

Mon Apr 29, 2019, 10:48 AM

Apr 2019

what Trump is doing isn't trying to win, he is trying to delay everything until after the elections. Democrats have a better chance in the courts of obtaining documents and forcing people to testify if they do so under an impeachment hearing. There would also be a good argument to expedite the court rulings under impeachment hearings, the courts would have to take into account that we are approaching an election so a decision needs to be made whether Donald Trump is fit to be president.

Just holding hearings will get Democrats nothing, no documents, no subpoenas honored. Trump is going to challenge McGahn's and Mueller's testimony and hopes to tie them up in the courts until the election.

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Not Impeaching Trump Is Riskier than Impeaching Him [View all] dajoki Apr 2019 OP

K&R, Dem leadership thinks 2020 is going to be fairer than 2016? Russia is going to be more involved uponit7771 Apr 2019 #1

Exactly. Now that the dust is settling...aka, acting like Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #6

Current investigations DownriverDem Apr 2019 #42

"We should quit talking about it" What? Maraya1969 Apr 2019 #49

The facts do n/t dajoki Apr 2019 #50

"IF" !!?!?!? We have facts already !!! There's no more "IFs" to be found !!! uponit7771 Apr 2019 #71

Keep in mind an impeachment inquiry is different than impeachment but still onit2day Apr 2019 #83

What "massive investigative powers" does an impeachment proceeding confer that committees don't StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #91

I'm afraid if the Democrats do not act on impeachment they will be seen as weak and ineffective, RKP5637 Apr 2019 #2

Something else that is very important and is being overlooked. watoos Apr 2019 #17

Agree 100% n/t RKP5637 Apr 2019 #22

And in the end the Senate won't convict and Trump declares victory. Boom 4 more years. redstateblues Apr 2019 #78

On top of that, I think the Democratic party's base will be very pissed Perseus Apr 2019 #21

I feel the same way n/t dajoki Apr 2019 #25

I hear a lot of hand-wringing by some in M$M and Democrats ... but now I am looking for hard nosed RKP5637 Apr 2019 #26

agree larwdem Apr 2019 #82

Until the country DownriverDem Apr 2019 #43

Two counterpoints Shipwack Apr 2019 #45

The House DID indeed wait until the country was ready before starting an impeachment investigation StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #54

Watergate Hearings was an impeachment inquiry which led to articles of impeachment onit2day Apr 2019 #84

No, they weren't an impeachment inquiry StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #90

It'll be interesting to see what happens when we get the redactions and testimonies. RKP5637 Apr 2019 #58

agree 100%: anything else will be seen as weak, playing politics, etc -n/t Locrian Apr 2019 #52

Exactly, Magoo48 Apr 2019 #57

That is what bothers me, the perception about the democrats. If he's just voted out, it could RKP5637 Apr 2019 #59

OR EffieBlack Apr 2019 #61

Yes, this would be an excellent alternative, the system working to remove him via voter RKP5637 Apr 2019 #65

What a ludicrous notion. appal_jack Apr 2019 #66

Yes. I'm seriously saying that voters are responsible for letting the House, Senate and statehouses EffieBlack Apr 2019 #70

Sure, citizens have responsibilities as voters to be informed. appal_jack Apr 2019 #74

I agree with you they must mean be forward with investigations, hearings, etc. EffieBlack Apr 2019 #76

the House has to carry on with their investigations and see where they go. If the evidence beachbum bob Apr 2019 #3

People aren't showing up for investigations. Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #7

let the committees take the actions they can, House has lots of power to the point they beachbum bob Apr 2019 #12

You pin the hopes of the United States Rambling Man Apr 2019 #14

The Sargeant of Arms has very limited powers, watoos Apr 2019 #20

They do seem to have a cell in the house Perseus Apr 2019 #23

Sergeant at Arms is largely ceremonial Rambling Man Apr 2019 #32

Democrats will lose in 2020 if the status quo stays the same. The democratic party will be seen as RKP5637 Apr 2019 #27

I tend to agree with this assessment... kentuck Apr 2019 #4

Word is McGahn won't show up. Exec privilege. Of Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #9

Yes, you get it, watoos Apr 2019 #24

Definitely, "Just holding hearings" is a worthless tactic ... essentially will be just treading water RKP5637 Apr 2019 #29

What specific outcome do you believe would be achieved by impeaching him in the next month or two? StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #47

A few months later is fine if it occurs! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2019 #51

Yes..impeachment, the awe of it all, the media scrutiny elevates everything. It puts it all on Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #62

He should be held in contempt of Congress for defying a subpoena. kentuck Apr 2019 #67

If they actually did that, it would be great. Fear it Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #68

Democrats need to call their bluff on this one. kentuck Apr 2019 #72

I hope you're right. I don't even know what they could Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #77

Mueller and all the investigators n/t dajoki Apr 2019 #94

Here's my thought on Impeachment and the lasting legacy . . . moreland01 Apr 2019 #5

Then they need to immediately move from worrying Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #10

What Clinton did was absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing! Trump is a monstrous thug, and if the RKP5637 Apr 2019 #31

Totally agree with this. That "no impeach" talking point is shirking of duty by cowards. pdsimdars Apr 2019 #8

Lack of impeachment will ensure a Trump victory in 2020 Rambling Man Apr 2019 #15

Yip, watoos Apr 2019 #28

+1000 nt Shipwack Apr 2019 #46

Agreed onit2day Apr 2019 #85

As much as his base may be energized, he will also lose support as his list of crimes and world wide wally Apr 2019 #11

Well said, watoos Apr 2019 #30

"he would release grand jury information for an impeachment hearing" LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #44

Yes... dajoki Apr 2019 #55

Because we know that Barr is always true to his word EffieBlack Apr 2019 #63

Well yes there's that LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #93

The same choice he has about turning over the unredacted report, responding to a subpoena or enforci EffieBlack May 2019 #95

+1. Republicans pushed things their way through a daily stream of headlines JHB Apr 2019 #13

Good point. But the main point remains. If we naively trustthat the voters calimary Apr 2019 #19

I agree with your premise, watoos Apr 2019 #34

Or we spike91nz Apr 2019 #16

Not impeaching Trump is acceptance of who he is and what he is doing. TNNurse Apr 2019 #18

Not to mention that he willl spin it into a win and complete exoneration for everything he's done world wide wally Apr 2019 #33

The longer we wait, watoos Apr 2019 #36

I'll keep saying this until it happens: El Mimbreno Apr 2019 #35

Also, Trump is one gigantic snowflake, watoos Apr 2019 #37

I agree with what you say but what happens at the end of the process if we don't have the votes to jalan48 Apr 2019 #38

If we don't, I'm moving to Oak Island and look for treasure. watoos Apr 2019 #39

It would take around 20 Dems voting against and all Republicans voting against to stop it. jalan48 Apr 2019 #41

Not necessary for holding impeachment inquiry which will lead to impeachment onit2day Apr 2019 #86

And once he's impeached, he stays in office unless 20 Republicans vote to remove him StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #92

A few things... bpositive Apr 2019 #40

That seems to be the choice they must make LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #48

I don't know anyone who (aside from a couple Trump fans of whom I don't speak to much)... C Moon Apr 2019 #53

Nancy says we are not there YET....... Little Star Apr 2019 #56

We are there, she's not. I trusted her to impeach Bush. We lost the House onit2day Apr 2019 #88

House Dems are The People's Jury. They have to call, subpoena, charge contempt, sign warrants, then ancianita Apr 2019 #60

I posted a DU poll and 93% want to "take the gloves off" BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #64

I agree, and what precedent do we set if we don't impeach him? Rizen Apr 2019 #69

No disagreement here. warmfeet Apr 2019 #73

Definitely should hold lengty deep dive hearings, but don't need to refer to Senate at the end AdamGG Apr 2019 #75

"Not Impeaching Trump Is Riskier than Impeaching Him." LenaBaby61 Apr 2019 #79

K&R sharedvalues Apr 2019 #80

U impeach & fail to convict, you have SET PRECEDENT that everything trump did is A-OK. krawhitham Apr 2019 #81

Disagree. Impeachment inquiry makes all behavior public so failure to onit2day Apr 2019 #87

Unfortunately, Yes dlk Apr 2019 #89