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Mon Apr 29, 2019, 08:20 PM

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Not Impeaching Trump Is Riskier than Impeaching Him [View all] dajoki Apr 2019 OP

K&R, Dem leadership thinks 2020 is going to be fairer than 2016? Russia is going to be more involved uponit7771 Apr 2019 #1

Exactly. Now that the dust is settling...aka, acting like Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #6

Current investigations DownriverDem Apr 2019 #42

"We should quit talking about it" What? Maraya1969 Apr 2019 #49

The facts do n/t dajoki Apr 2019 #50

"IF" !!?!?!? We have facts already !!! There's no more "IFs" to be found !!! uponit7771 Apr 2019 #71

Keep in mind an impeachment inquiry is different than impeachment but still onit2day Apr 2019 #83

What "massive investigative powers" does an impeachment proceeding confer that committees don't StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #91

I'm afraid if the Democrats do not act on impeachment they will be seen as weak and ineffective, RKP5637 Apr 2019 #2

Something else that is very important and is being overlooked. watoos Apr 2019 #17

Agree 100% n/t RKP5637 Apr 2019 #22

And in the end the Senate won't convict and Trump declares victory. Boom 4 more years. redstateblues Apr 2019 #78

On top of that, I think the Democratic party's base will be very pissed Perseus Apr 2019 #21

I feel the same way n/t dajoki Apr 2019 #25

I hear a lot of hand-wringing by some in M$M and Democrats ... but now I am looking for hard nosed RKP5637 Apr 2019 #26

agree larwdem Apr 2019 #82

Until the country DownriverDem Apr 2019 #43

Two counterpoints Shipwack Apr 2019 #45

The House DID indeed wait until the country was ready before starting an impeachment investigation StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #54

Watergate Hearings was an impeachment inquiry which led to articles of impeachment onit2day Apr 2019 #84

No, they weren't an impeachment inquiry StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #90

It'll be interesting to see what happens when we get the redactions and testimonies. RKP5637 Apr 2019 #58

agree 100%: anything else will be seen as weak, playing politics, etc -n/t Locrian Apr 2019 #52

Exactly, Magoo48 Apr 2019 #57

That is what bothers me, the perception about the democrats. If he's just voted out, it could RKP5637 Apr 2019 #59

OR EffieBlack Apr 2019 #61

Yes, this would be an excellent alternative, the system working to remove him via voter RKP5637 Apr 2019 #65

What a ludicrous notion. appal_jack Apr 2019 #66

Yes. I'm seriously saying that voters are responsible for letting the House, Senate and statehouses EffieBlack Apr 2019 #70

Sure, citizens have responsibilities as voters to be informed. appal_jack Apr 2019 #74

I agree with you they must mean be forward with investigations, hearings, etc. EffieBlack Apr 2019 #76

the House has to carry on with their investigations and see where they go. If the evidence beachbum bob Apr 2019 #3

People aren't showing up for investigations. Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #7

let the committees take the actions they can, House has lots of power to the point they beachbum bob Apr 2019 #12

You pin the hopes of the United States Rambling Man Apr 2019 #14

The Sargeant of Arms has very limited powers, watoos Apr 2019 #20

They do seem to have a cell in the house Perseus Apr 2019 #23

Sergeant at Arms is largely ceremonial Rambling Man Apr 2019 #32

Democrats will lose in 2020 if the status quo stays the same. The democratic party will be seen as RKP5637 Apr 2019 #27

I tend to agree with this assessment... kentuck Apr 2019 #4

Word is McGahn won't show up. Exec privilege. Of Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #9

Yes, you get it, watoos Apr 2019 #24

Definitely, "Just holding hearings" is a worthless tactic ... essentially will be just treading water RKP5637 Apr 2019 #29

What specific outcome do you believe would be achieved by impeaching him in the next month or two? StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #47

A few months later is fine if it occurs! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2019 #51

Yes..impeachment, the awe of it all, the media scrutiny elevates everything. It puts it all on Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #62

He should be held in contempt of Congress for defying a subpoena. kentuck Apr 2019 #67

If they actually did that, it would be great. Fear it Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #68

Democrats need to call their bluff on this one. kentuck Apr 2019 #72

I hope you're right. I don't even know what they could Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #77

Mueller and all the investigators n/t dajoki Apr 2019 #94

Here's my thought on Impeachment and the lasting legacy . . . moreland01 Apr 2019 #5

Then they need to immediately move from worrying Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #10

What Clinton did was absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing! Trump is a monstrous thug, and if the RKP5637 Apr 2019 #31

Totally agree with this. That "no impeach" talking point is shirking of duty by cowards. pdsimdars Apr 2019 #8

Lack of impeachment will ensure a Trump victory in 2020 Rambling Man Apr 2019 #15

Yip, watoos Apr 2019 #28

+1000 nt Shipwack Apr 2019 #46

Agreed onit2day Apr 2019 #85

As much as his base may be energized, he will also lose support as his list of crimes and world wide wally Apr 2019 #11

Well said, watoos Apr 2019 #30

"he would release grand jury information for an impeachment hearing" LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #44

Yes... dajoki Apr 2019 #55

Because we know that Barr is always true to his word EffieBlack Apr 2019 #63

Well yes there's that LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #93

The same choice he has about turning over the unredacted report, responding to a subpoena or enforci EffieBlack May 2019 #95

+1. Republicans pushed things their way through a daily stream of headlines JHB Apr 2019 #13

Good point. But the main point remains. If we naively trustthat the voters calimary Apr 2019 #19

I agree with your premise, watoos Apr 2019 #34

Or we spike91nz Apr 2019 #16

Not impeaching Trump is acceptance of who he is and what he is doing. TNNurse Apr 2019 #18

Not to mention that he willl spin it into a win and complete exoneration for everything he's done world wide wally Apr 2019 #33

The longer we wait, watoos Apr 2019 #36

I'll keep saying this until it happens: El Mimbreno Apr 2019 #35

Also, Trump is one gigantic snowflake, watoos Apr 2019 #37

I agree with what you say but what happens at the end of the process if we don't have the votes to jalan48 Apr 2019 #38

If we don't, I'm moving to Oak Island and look for treasure. watoos Apr 2019 #39

It would take around 20 Dems voting against and all Republicans voting against to stop it. jalan48 Apr 2019 #41

Not necessary for holding impeachment inquiry which will lead to impeachment onit2day Apr 2019 #86

And once he's impeached, he stays in office unless 20 Republicans vote to remove him StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #92

A few things... bpositive Apr 2019 #40

That seems to be the choice they must make LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #48

I don't know anyone who (aside from a couple Trump fans of whom I don't speak to much)... C Moon Apr 2019 #53

Nancy says we are not there YET....... Little Star Apr 2019 #56

We are there, she's not. I trusted her to impeach Bush. We lost the House onit2day Apr 2019 #88

House Dems are The People's Jury. They have to call, subpoena, charge contempt, sign warrants, then ancianita Apr 2019 #60

I posted a DU poll and 93% want to "take the gloves off" BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #64

I agree, and what precedent do we set if we don't impeach him? Rizen Apr 2019 #69

No disagreement here. warmfeet Apr 2019 #73

Definitely should hold lengty deep dive hearings, but don't need to refer to Senate at the end AdamGG Apr 2019 #75

"Not Impeaching Trump Is Riskier than Impeaching Him." LenaBaby61 Apr 2019 #79

K&R sharedvalues Apr 2019 #80

U impeach & fail to convict, you have SET PRECEDENT that everything trump did is A-OK. krawhitham Apr 2019 #81

Disagree. Impeachment inquiry makes all behavior public so failure to onit2day Apr 2019 #87

Unfortunately, Yes dlk Apr 2019 #89