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In reply to the discussion: The best pro choice debate strategy you will win every time. [View all]CrispyQ
(36,461 posts)27. I would never concede to them that abortion is murder.
Abortion and the 13th Amendment
https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1031&context=facultyworkingpapers
2010
Forced Labor, Revisited: The Thirteenth Amendment and Abortion
Andrew Koppelman
Northwestern University School of Law, akoppelman@law.northwestern.edu
I. The basic argument
The Thirteenth Amendment reads as follows:
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
My claim is that the amendment is violated by laws that prohibit abortion. When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to "involuntary servitude" in violation of the amendment. Abortion prohibitions violate the Amendment's guarantee of personal liberty, because forced pregnancy and childbirth, by compelling the woman to serve the fetus, creates "that control by which the personal service of one man [sic] is disposed of or coerced for another's benefit which is the essence of involuntary servitude."6
Such laws violate the amendment's guarantee of equality, because forcing women to be mothers makes them into a servant caste, a group which, by virtue of a status of birth, is held subject to a special duty to serve others and not themselves.
https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1031&context=facultyworkingpapers
2010
Forced Labor, Revisited: The Thirteenth Amendment and Abortion
Andrew Koppelman
Northwestern University School of Law, akoppelman@law.northwestern.edu
I. The basic argument
The Thirteenth Amendment reads as follows:
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
My claim is that the amendment is violated by laws that prohibit abortion. When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to "involuntary servitude" in violation of the amendment. Abortion prohibitions violate the Amendment's guarantee of personal liberty, because forced pregnancy and childbirth, by compelling the woman to serve the fetus, creates "that control by which the personal service of one man [sic] is disposed of or coerced for another's benefit which is the essence of involuntary servitude."6
Such laws violate the amendment's guarantee of equality, because forcing women to be mothers makes them into a servant caste, a group which, by virtue of a status of birth, is held subject to a special duty to serve others and not themselves.
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Parents can't be compelled to donate their organs to their child, even to save the child's life. Why does a fetus have more claim on a woman's organs and life than her child who has been born?
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There's a part of the pro-life movement who want exactly this -- charges for both the person who
WhiskeyGrinder
May 2019
#2
They don't care. Anything to stop abortion in all circumstances and punish those involved.
WhiskeyGrinder
May 2019
#4
Well, if a doctor has determined that the life of the mother is threatened by a pregnancy,
sarabelle
May 2019
#5
the whole problem is: men are not held accountable for sex. This patriarchy we are all
CharleyDog
May 2019
#32
I always felt the strongest argument is that the forced birthers are violating our freedom of religi
RAB910
May 2019
#8
Regarding abortion, there is no "winning" an argument with those who disagree with you
elocs
May 2019
#13
thats always the case with almost all people, but still doesn't stop them from supporting insane
beachbum bob
May 2019
#29
Looking at them with pity in my eyes and saying, "God, you're stupid,"
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
May 2019
#37
Given that they're probably already ok with murdering any Planned Parenthood M.D., ...
JustABozoOnThisBus
May 2019
#38