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26. Fucking atheists!!!

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Why "yes, but" is the wrong answer to questions of misogyny [View all] lapislzi Jan 2012 OP

more to the story seabeyond Jan 2012 #1

High fives seabeyond lapislzi Jan 2012 #2

i hear so often how this is just being a man. i am in these conversation a lot of du. seabeyond Jan 2012 #5

perpetuate the same prejudicial...separate themselves from the oppressed group...accepted majority seabeyond Jan 2012 #7

Divide and rule. Works every time. lapislzi Jan 2012 #77

i saw your post about comedian. laugh at the vulgar just holes joke. how many women sat, laughed seabeyond Jan 2012 #81

Really? redqueen Jan 2012 #29

Horrific, absolutely horrific Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #6

the women like to pretend it is not so bad, not effect all of us as a whole. the men seabeyond Jan 2012 #10

This is quite true. There are women who bobble-head their way through life and are terrified of Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #32

" i hate for us to pretend we are above it." redqueen Jan 2012 #33

Fucking atheists!!! Iggo Jan 2012 #26

really? you only see this issue with atheists? or rw men? or men..... nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #27

or society's objectification of women Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #49

you are so smart. such an articulate writer. yes... to all of your post. seabeyond Jan 2012 #55

"That we should struggle from millenia redqueen Jan 2012 #57

actually we stepped away from being stupid, dependent, inferior to the sex object. one control over seabeyond Jan 2012 #61

Not stupid. redqueen Jan 2012 #70

boys are raised in the same stupid. this is why i fight for boys as much as girls. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #71

Yep, we all are immersed in it. redqueen Jan 2012 #73

the kids that do not have the parents discussing this are not fairing so well.... nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #188

You have a real gift for getting to the heart of a matter Marrah_G Jan 2012 #120

yes and BS detector full strength getdown Jan 2012 #143

"...or society's objectification of women which sadly, many women have facilitated." PassingFair Jan 2012 #205

Absolutely fair to ask Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #208

To each her own. PassingFair Jan 2012 #209

how do you know the pearls did not come off once the door was shut? seabeyond Jan 2012 #210

Jesus, what a bunch of assholes! Odin2005 Jan 2012 #72

a million recs, seabeyond. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #90

Thank you for a really great post Marrah_G Jan 2012 #116

lapislzi and I should have included that snippet redqueen Jan 2012 #121

Guess they weren't familiar with the book. dogknob Jan 2012 #130

"They are fact-proof, thought-proof and totally conditioned." getdown Jan 2012 #132

Don't forget White Knight. redqueen Jan 2012 #142

Seabeyond, you are SO RIGHT Aerows Jan 2012 #203

we could, but we wont and we dont. on meta a female poster said, even if they clearly break du rule seabeyond Jan 2012 #206

As much as it saddens me Aerows Jan 2012 #215

i'm told,the way men are. accept it. by many. often. not that i see other men countering. dare they? seabeyond Jan 2012 #3

a good sign will be when men stop trying to explain getdown Jan 2012 #134

Or "pussy", either. redqueen Jan 2012 #162

crazy getdown Jan 2012 #171

Thanks for posting this, lapislzi. Misogyny is rampant. I blame the media more than anything Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #4

When you mention the media, I can't help but think lapislzi Jan 2012 #11

Yup! The media shows us 'twinkies' and surgically altered 'barbies' who have no opinions Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #21

+1000000000000 to you and lapiszli BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #91

Thanks! And hi there! nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #119

:) BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #197

and when an attractive women isn't doing something brilliant TorchTheWitch Jan 2012 #198

point. we need to remember. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #199

This is precisely what Faludi was alluding to Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #200

you can talk about how fox works, pornifying their women. we see palin proclaim feminist as she uses seabeyond Jan 2012 #207

Surgically altered can mean many things. redqueen Jan 2012 #201

i blame people. we know. we know what we are doing. a person feels the abuse of power seabeyond Jan 2012 #13

I would love to blame people outright. I can't though. I think a lot of people are unconscious. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #24

there are a handful of reasons right there i blame people. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #30

The media has no real role models. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #43

Me too. n/t Aerows Jan 2012 #204

Yep. We won't accept rationalizations or excuses for racism. redqueen Jan 2012 #36

exactly. racism is clear. sexism? is there even sexism? nah. just that way biology made us seabeyond Jan 2012 #40

I'm so sick of brogressives redqueen Jan 2012 #48

yup. as i watch it grow and grow and become more accepted, yup seabeyond Jan 2012 #56

brogressives! Marrah_G Jan 2012 #125

Isn't it perfect? redqueen Jan 2012 #128

I blame good men for not speaking out against stuff like that. Whisp Jan 2012 #66

Often, unless one experiences something, it's hard to remember it's going on. What I find really Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #68

Beyond complicit and silent, there are a fair few women who speak in favor of their own oppression! riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #147

" They too are so acclimatized to their own oppression...." getdown Jan 2012 #155

+100000! I agree! And it is a slippery slope, which is why we MUST discuss it. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #170

if we could get more voices getdown Jan 2012 #173

I so agree. It's not just a cliche that young people are the future - they literally are! Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #175

Yes! You've described something that irks me tremendously. The female participation in oppression Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #165

how about all the women that support and perpetuate this crap. i want, expect men to speak out BUT seabeyond Jan 2012 #69

that is sadly too true. Whisp Jan 2012 #84

exactly. and the area i am in, i see most ALL women taking it and not a single one speaking out seabeyond Jan 2012 #87

+10000 nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #148

Yes indeed, seabeyond, yes indeed. What is the best way to deal with that, though? I say Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #172

what i do. another thread, another forum, talking about sports. a perfect example of what we hash seabeyond Jan 2012 #180

It is up to men to confront other men RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #8

Then you're accused of not having a sense of humor lapislzi Jan 2012 #12

there was a thread on a 10 yr old girl model sexualized. men were quick to say, PRUDE. seabeyond Jan 2012 #15

Right, turn it around, deflect and displace. lapislzi Jan 2012 #19

Your memory is selective. nt Romulox Jan 2012 #22

Please to explain? lapislzi Jan 2012 #23

I was responding to seabeyond, re: "men were quick to say, PRUDE." nt Romulox Jan 2012 #28

no, it doesnt and the thread stands for people to see. with a few posts i said.... seabeyond Jan 2012 #25

"Your memory is selective" means you are only remembering some of what went on. nt Romulox Jan 2012 #31

i am addressing the part of that thread that is relevant to this thread. i did not say ALL replies seabeyond Jan 2012 #35

So. You admonish men to speak out, but when they do it isn't relevant? That was my point! nt Romulox Jan 2012 #38

She did comment on my speaking out in the past, but this thread is mostly about admonishing men RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #41

all thru the thread recongize the men speaking out. the post you address is about the men seabeyond Jan 2012 #45

Right. What *actually happened* was a lot more nuanced then "men were quick to say, PRUDE.". nt Romulox Jan 2012 #59

as i said, the first subthread i was typing how we will be called prude, asexual, anti sex, jealous seabeyond Jan 2012 #63

but i think you are showing a perfect example of what happens when discussing this issue. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #64

Too bad for me. Too bad for them too. I intend to ruin their "jokes" and "funny moments" RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #16

we had a thread on rape jokes. so many defended it. hubby and i listened to comedy channel seabeyond Jan 2012 #20

I feel like punching people that say "can't you take a joke???"! Odin2005 Jan 2012 #79

it is mens place. i could not agree more. and it is womens place to challenge the other women that seabeyond Jan 2012 #14

Thanks, SB, I appreciate your comments as well. While I encourage women to relentlessly challenge RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #18

Agreed. Enlightened men need to start calling out other men lapislzi Jan 2012 #46

Then I'll say, "you are what you eat!" HAAAAAAAAhhaahahahaha RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #54

A nice thing to ask these fuckers is cliffordu Jan 2012 #178

Girls can too. I'm not some frail princess waiting to be rescued from ogres by a handsome prince Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #53

Yes, women must confront it, certainly, but (hahaha, "yes, but") since it is homosocial RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #58

women, too. do we ask, why is it so hard to call ourselves women. because it means old? seabeyond Jan 2012 #60

True, so very true. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #74

Even if I thought you were frail, I would not imagine a prince/ess rescue scenario. RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #65

No. It's not. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #93

It is up to men because it is said for the sake of men's approval. OBVIOUSLY, one would have RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #101

It is said for shock value. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #104

You are, OBVIOUSLY, welcome to be a passive bystander on this issue. RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #111

You are starting from two false premises lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #163

I think, in the context of this thread, that my premises are correct. RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #181

Ignoring the douchebags is EXACTLY the right thing to do. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #186

No. That does not suit me. I will confront it and encourage other men to do the same. RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #187

you go dude. i am so fuckin tired of this shit. hey, there is a point seabeyond Jan 2012 #189

Good luck with that. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #190

Your opinion of the metaphoric magnitude or foolishness of my approach to this situation RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #193

You should think about why this thread upsets you. Marrah_G Jan 2012 #129

well good thing it's all about YOU! getdown Jan 2012 #103

The previous poster did make it all about me. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #105

really? getdown Jan 2012 #106

no it looks quite reasonable and doable getdown Jan 2012 #107

Logic! redqueen Jan 2012 #109

we all do getdown Jan 2012 #114

Thank you. RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #118

thank you! getdown Jan 2012 #127

So true Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #191

Reading some of the comments on the skepchick site is just amazing justiceischeap Jan 2012 #9

Indeed. HuckleB Jan 2012 #34

yes... i am thinking at this moment we have a wonderful example of exactly this. layed out, step seabeyond Jan 2012 #37

Ha! That's my husband's nickname for me. lapislzi Jan 2012 #47

The anger is telling. redqueen Jan 2012 #51

Many see the deconstruction of their privilege as "discrimination". We see this a lot in the RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #62

It's so annoying, redqueen Jan 2012 #86

I am on the inside (white, straight, bio-male) looking out, but I feel the same way sometimes. RadiationTherapy Jan 2012 #88

Reddit is such a cesspool of idiots MattBaggins Jan 2012 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author chrisa Jan 2012 #126

Unless it's 'yes, but she's a Republican,' of course nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #39

+1. it is all in the justifications. but... it is a mans forum. it shows the undercurrent seabeyond Jan 2012 #50

Yes, at least now with Bachmann out redqueen Jan 2012 #52

Thanks for posting this. (nt) redqueen Jan 2012 #42

Absolutely. Trying to divert from such issues, MineralMan Jan 2012 #44

That's a perfect response. lapislzi Jan 2012 #67

Hi MM Marrah_G Jan 2012 #131

Thanks for posting this, the internet sufrommich Jan 2012 #75

Assholes threated to RAPE her because she is an Atheist? Odin2005 Jan 2012 #76

It's worse than that. HuckleB Jan 2012 #78

Really? OMG! Odin2005 Jan 2012 #82

No, assholes threatened to rape her because they're assholes. lapislzi Jan 2012 #80

I get pissed off whenever I hear the "no means maybe and..." Odin2005 Jan 2012 #83

they did it solely cause she was a girl. not cause atheist. not cause she did or said anything seabeyond Jan 2012 #85

Exactly. HuckleB Jan 2012 #94

No, it was just jokes, not threats. redqueen Jan 2012 #89

How does one truly differentiate between them? HuckleB Jan 2012 #92

Not sure... redqueen Jan 2012 #99

A thin veneer, a slippery slope lapislzi Jan 2012 #152

Hear, hear! redqueen Jan 2012 #166

many will type things they would never dare say or admit to IRL getdown Jan 2012 #97

I am a man and I want to state publicly and unequivocally OriginalGeek Jan 2012 #95

lots of one handed typists on the innertubes getdown Jan 2012 #96

there issue with this is over the years we have normalized this talk to such an extent it is in RL seabeyond Jan 2012 #98

yeah, always some excuse, huh getdown Jan 2012 #100

Boys generally have mothers lapislzi Jan 2012 #153

I bet the people that took part in that flamefest chrisa Jan 2012 #102

They're not all kids. redqueen Jan 2012 #110

True. The internet is home to many screaming man-children. chrisa Jan 2012 #122

What are they even pissed off about? treestar Jan 2012 #108

I'm going to guess you mean the folks on Reddit? justiceischeap Jan 2012 #113

But how come? treestar Jan 2012 #137

Did you read either of the links that the OP provided? justiceischeap Jan 2012 #151

I did look at it but it's still strange they are that attacking of her treestar Jan 2012 #157

It's not about the book. redqueen Jan 2012 #167

she is a female and it is mans right to talk trash to a female on the net seabeyond Jan 2012 #115

Built up nerd rage after years of female rejection. chrisa Jan 2012 #124

are nerds really the only ones who are rejected? hfojvt Jan 2012 #139

No. What made you think that? chrisa Jan 2012 #144

you assume they are nerds. Why? hfojvt Jan 2012 #168

Exactly. n/t Jamastiene Jan 2012 #177

I'm a self-admitted nerd. chrisa Jan 2012 #185

Most nerds I have known have treated women with respect. Jamastiene Jan 2012 #176

I think they hate her because she is beautiful hfojvt Jan 2012 #135

do you know, there are a lot of girls and women that dont hit ten, are not going to get attractive seabeyond Jan 2012 #136

They aren't raised with that sense of entitlement. redqueen Jan 2012 #145

and they aren't raised to believe getdown Jan 2012 #149

I find that very hard to believe hfojvt Jan 2012 #156

maybe that woman that you do not see is "settling" for the less than attractive male or quietly doin seabeyond Jan 2012 #161

So it is just her picture? treestar Jan 2012 #138

only. because. she. was. a. girl. that is it. no more. literally seabeyond Jan 2012 #140

Exactly, this happens all the time. redqueen Jan 2012 #146

I suspect cute had something to do with it. Jim Lane Jan 2012 #195

so, the true reality is, regardless, it is..... only cause she is a girl. one way or another. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #196

Fat, ugly, or slutty. redqueen Jan 2012 #202

SO true Marrah_G Jan 2012 #211

there shouldn't be in a group of atheists hfojvt Jan 2012 #141

Ding! A winner! lapislzi Jan 2012 #154

very insightful getdown Jan 2012 #150

This is touched on in Tough Guise redqueen Jan 2012 #159

TY RQ getdown Jan 2012 #169

Yes, but is usually a bad answer to any question... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #112

Thank you for posting this Marrah_G Jan 2012 #117

Threads like these... Marrah_G Jan 2012 #123

I was going to post this very thing! obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #133

Diversion and minimizing seems to be most men's way of not dealing with issues in general frazzled Jan 2012 #158

This is THE best thread I have read on DU in a long time... Spazito Jan 2012 #160

If, after reading this thread, anyone doesn't 'get it' as to why misogyny is so offensive seabeyond Jan 2012 #164

and DU3 getdown Jan 2012 #182

yes... they just isolate the "mans" room, even though women particpate, a little more seabeyond Jan 2012 #183

oh getdown Jan 2012 #184

"Yes, but" is really no better than "Your side does it, too". arbusto_baboso Jan 2012 #174

K&R Jamastiene Jan 2012 #179

Nothing to add to this amazing thread but K&R. Hatchling Jan 2012 #192

... Mnemosyne Jan 2012 #194

Kick. HuckleB Jan 2012 #212

sometimes i get a little kick seabeyond Jan 2012 #213

Cheers! HuckleB Jan 2012 #214