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mr_lebowski

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27. It's an ancient symbol ... there in theory could be people who 'liked it before' ...

Thu Jul 4, 2019, 06:57 PM

Jul 2019

The Nazi's stole it, similar to what the RWNJ's are trying to do with the Ross flag, and now nobody can use it without being assumed a Nazi.

In other words, this sort of thing can happen where symbols are appropriated and lose any other meaning.

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Why on earth are we demonizing the Betsy Ross Flag? [View all] Chemisse Jul 2019 OP

The issue is that The Betsy Ross Flag has been adopted by awful people. madaboutharry Jul 2019 #1

They don't own our history. They can't appropriate historical wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #6

Let's not let them! nt LAS14 Jul 2019 #10

I feel the same way that you do. madaboutharry Jul 2019 #12

Like those damn German Nazis... n/t Harker Jul 2019 #99

It's only easy customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #145

Yet it happens caraher Jul 2019 #196

Exactly! nt NutmegYankee Jul 2019 #14

Tell that to old time fans of the swastika. nt TeamPooka Jul 2019 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jul 2019 #23

It's an ancient symbol ... there in theory could be people who 'liked it before' ... mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jul 2019 #34

That's not the case with the American flag. All versions of it. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #71

I was simply clarifying one poster's 'meaning' to another poster ... who'd said 'huh?' (nt) mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #78

There's a gracious old hotel near my town-- built around 1915-- dawg day Jul 2019 #43

There is an old park with a historic house and swastikas Merlot Jul 2019 #51

I read that swastikas are still used as symbols for various religions, dating to ancient times. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #81

Hindus, Buddhists, and some Christian groups IronLionZion Jul 2019 #85

It's found in many an ancient Navajo weavings sop Jul 2019 #116

not really ancient Kali Jul 2019 #185

The town where I live has a few brick row houses built in 1920 that have them around the top fishwax Jul 2019 #178

You are comparing our flag to the swastika? Tipperary Jul 2019 #96

Thanks for playing Straw Man. I'll miss you the most. TeamPooka Jul 2019 #100

... Tipperary Jul 2019 #103

That's what I think, too. The KKK also has used the regular American Flag. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #68

Kaepernick supposedly behind it. cwydro Jul 2019 #84

There's only one thing bad about him not making his pay from football customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #146

Hmmm. Some might say the same thing about the current flag. Raven123 Jul 2019 #20

Absolutely correct....!!!!!! Crazyleftie Jul 2019 #87

It represents slavery, surely you jest. onecaliberal Jul 2019 #2

How does it represent slavery? nt LAS14 Jul 2019 #5

Included few DownriverDem Jul 2019 #56

The same can be said of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution.... Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #74

Which of course is why it flew at Obama's inauguration FBaggins Jul 2019 #9

Obama hadn't figured that out yet! dumbcat Jul 2019 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jul 2019 #24

There's a difference between flying it alongside other flags as part of a historical panoply StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #25

Not to me it doesn't Loki Liesmith Jul 2019 #26

To many of us, it's offensive, even if it's not to you StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #31

You do not get to make the rules.. MicaelS Jul 2019 #77

Since I'm not trying to make any rules or speak for you, we're on the same page StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #79

Yet in return? sheshe2 Jul 2019 #160

Anything pertaining to the beginning of our country would be offensive to you. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #83

Excellent post Honeycombe! Tipperary Jul 2019 #97

Really good points! n/t Chemisse Jul 2019 #105

Well said... RHMerriman Jul 2019 #126

My Thought RobinA Jul 2019 #183

Yes. cwydro Jul 2019 #139

Well stated customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #151

Good post. Heartily agree. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #155

I would imagine the genocide of millions of original inhabitants already living here was something Judi Lynn Jul 2019 #186

After what many European countries did to their colonies ripcord Jul 2019 #195

How ridiculous FBaggins Jul 2019 #54

Thank you. cwydro Jul 2019 #88

Was President Obama endorsing slavery? AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #18

Betsy Ross was an abolitionist. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #63

I read that years ago too. Throck Jul 2019 #137

Well we cannot let silly facts get in the way of the Tipperary Jul 2019 #141

Not going there. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #143

Exactly. Tipperary Jul 2019 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author Flaleftist Jul 2019 #3

Bullshit pintobean Jul 2019 #57

Bang on! Tipperary Jul 2019 #135

The flag has been adopted by some White supremacists. nt Blue_true Jul 2019 #4

Well screw them. They can't have it!!! nt LAS14 Jul 2019 #8

Only if you give it to them. wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #11

So what. It belongs to every American. NutmegYankee Jul 2019 #13

Yes! TheFarseer Jul 2019 #45

I agree with you. nt UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #7

I have one on my flagpole. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2019 #16

You live in a 1700s house? Codeine Jul 2019 #36

You live in a 1700's house? Isn't that racist? n/t zackymilly Jul 2019 #59

Ha! Well played! Tipperary Jul 2019 #102

LOL Colin K going after a Quaker and abolitionist. SMC22307 Jul 2019 #127

I wonder what will we do sarisataka Jul 2019 #19

+++++++++++++++++ still_one Jul 2019 #30

Because the current "In" thing for Dems to do is shun and hide anything that offends anyone Jake Stern Jul 2019 #21

As one of those "anyones" who's offended, I'm glad that my party is sensitive to my concerns StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #29

If you wish to be offended by clowns, flags, hand gestures or Adam Sandler that's your right Jake Stern Jul 2019 #40

Wow StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #52

JakeStern sounds like a rational human being. Glorfindel Jul 2019 #55

And that's your choice StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #60

They are not disgusting, they are common sense.. MicaelS Jul 2019 #69

Bull hockey. Most of us have known that flag since Tipperary Jul 2019 #98

+1 leftstreet Jul 2019 #115

Apparently, this view is more widespread than I originally thought! EffieBlack Jul 2019 #124

Horseshit. As a native Pennsylvanian and someone who has... SMC22307 Jul 2019 #150

It sounds like you're much more bent out of shape over a flag than I am StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #153

I'm bent out of shape over the idea of five more years of Donald Trump... SMC22307 Jul 2019 #159

Anyone who would vote for Trump because Nike decided not to put the Betsy Ross flag on its shoes StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #161

Voters take to the polls for sound reasons and stupid reasons... SMC22307 Jul 2019 #163

I understand the stated reason Jake Stern Jul 2019 #162

This is kind of funny in a way. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #181

I haven't sung the star spangled banner since I was in middle school. Ms. Toad Jul 2019 #73

One could say the exact thing to you. cwydro Jul 2019 #94

Sounds extremely reasonable to me. Crunchy Frog Jul 2019 #166

See post 54. cwydro Jul 2019 #91

As a flaming librul I've supported Colin K. 100 percent... SMC22307 Jul 2019 #140

Finding ways to try to manipulate Democrats by telling them the right might mock them Judi Lynn Jul 2019 #188

Right! First bussing and now the first flag our a nation? GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #22

Neighbor flies it.....has for a couple of years Red Mountain Jul 2019 #37

You can say exactly the same about the American flag. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #39

President Obama flew it..his 2nd inauguration. What was his statement? AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #49

What is this all about? Who is complaining? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2019 #28

Good Lord, what is happening around here?! EffieBlack Jul 2019 #32

It's been particularly weird since the debate. Hoyt Jul 2019 #62

Yup EffieBlack Jul 2019 #92

So every time white supremacists appropriate.. MicaelS Jul 2019 #76

The flag that represented our nation during the revolutionary war is racist? cwydro Jul 2019 #86

Yeah, cuts both ways... RHMerriman Jul 2019 #152

Boo. Hoo. Inkfreak Jul 2019 #182

Ugh... Mike Nelson Jul 2019 #33

take it up with Nike.. stillcool Jul 2019 #35

No, I don't think Nike is who they want to fight with StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #80

President Obama doesn't want to fight with you.. AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #123

yeah...reminds me.... stillcool Jul 2019 #132

Agree. We should be demonizing the supremacists, not the symbol (flag) they appropriated...but Freethinker65 Jul 2019 #38

I get your point. And respect it. But some dumb assed frog drawn a few years ago, GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #42

I agree with you. Do not let the racists get a hold of it. Freethinker65 Jul 2019 #46

Maybe rainbow colored. That would drive them crazy! GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #50

So what? It was the original flag if this country Drahthaardogs Jul 2019 #47

Agree. See post #46 Freethinker65 Jul 2019 #48

I've had one of these flags since 1976, and am displaying it right now... First Speaker Jul 2019 #41

I put up a 23 star one this morning.... Historic NY Jul 2019 #44

African American Continental Soldiers fought under the Ross Flag!!!!! JAD Jul 2019 #53

African American slaves also fought under the Confederate flag. So what. StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #109

The right co-ops national symbols and makes them toxic Gore1FL Jul 2019 #58

flag of slavery samir.g Jul 2019 #61

Does President Obama endorse slavery? AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #125

There are 13 stars on the flag and 13 letters in "DonaldTrumpJr". LiberalArkie Jul 2019 #64

Google the Flag Code rickford66 Jul 2019 #65

Flags can be misappropriated by racists, and become offensive. Hoyt Jul 2019 #66

Now that we know the origins of all this, I think we should take it back. Chemisse Jul 2019 #117

But the KKK also have wrapped themselves in the 50 star flag too. mwooldri Jul 2019 #142

But there is a difference ... Whiskeytide Jul 2019 #144

Look, if the people that it's meant to offend, thinks it's offensive, I do too. Hoyt Jul 2019 #156

No one is trying to reelect Trump. Good people are trying to remove the racist toxicity from our jcmaine72 Jul 2019 #67

Thank you StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #75

You're welcome. jcmaine72 Jul 2019 #112

This leftstreet Jul 2019 #118

Thanks! jcmaine72 Jul 2019 #149

President Obama didn't find it offensive AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #129

And that's wonderful. jcmaine72 Jul 2019 #147

The minute Kaepernick said something..not before was there an "outrage". AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #157

You Can Be Sure RobinA Jul 2019 #184

Glad to see your post, thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2019 #189

Thanks, Judi! jcmaine72 Jul 2019 #192

so, the bottom line is, if white racist bastards decided to make a cute cat their symbol we will yaesu Jul 2019 #70

We'll have to murder all our cats, lest someone gets offended. Crunchy Frog Jul 2019 #168

That's quite a leap you made there. jcmaine72 Jul 2019 #169

This thread is full of leaps. Crunchy Frog Jul 2019 #170

ooooooh nooooooo 😱😱😱 yaesu Jul 2019 #175

It's out of date when flown on its own. forgotmylogin Jul 2019 #72

Are we going to let those MFer's appropriate all our national symbols? GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #82

When was the last time you gave two shits about the Betsy Ross flag? EffieBlack Jul 2019 #90

The Betsy Ross flag? Never gave it much thought. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #95

I'm not indignant about it now. I don't care one way or the other. StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #113

The only people indignant here are the ones who suddenly fell in love with the Betsy Ross flag today EffieBlack Jul 2019 #120

You and I agree quite a bit. And I could give a shit about that flag. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #128

But Democrats weren't behind Nike's decision to not put the flag on the shoes. That was a business EffieBlack Jul 2019 #130

Oh. Got it. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #138

Who has asked you to give up the right to buy sneakers with the Betsy Ross flag on them? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #93

Your looking past my point. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #101

You're the 2nd person that suggested the sticker thing... egduj Jul 2019 #136

That's exactly why hate groups use symbols that mean something harmless to everyone else IronLionZion Jul 2019 #89

Some "normal folks" don't see it as "history" StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #106

Wow. Powerful post. This is where typing discussions, GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #154

I agree with you, my post was about DUers in this controversy IronLionZion Jul 2019 #173

Mostly because Kapernick is a Nike client DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #104

Do blacks commonly see the Ross flag as racist and a symbol of slavery? Takket Jul 2019 #107

Most people, black, white, or whatever probably aren't aware of how it's been used Major Nikon Jul 2019 #164

What's up with Snickers bar in the pic? I like Snickers bars! n/t zackymilly Jul 2019 #174

The Klan was putting candy in bags along with their flyer Major Nikon Jul 2019 #176

I agree that we should stay out of it AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #108

Who is "we"? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #110

democrats AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #111

Democrats should stay out of whether Nike should put the Betsy Ross decal on its sneakers? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #114

Nobody on this thread is saying that at all DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #121

That's exactly what was said and what I was responding to StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #131

Yes, there there was slavery, segragation and much other crap that shouln't have been, but how long demosincebirth Jul 2019 #119

Not all the framers of the Constitution were slave owners. ... spin Jul 2019 #158

I hope you know that I was generalizing. demosincebirth Jul 2019 #167

I have to admit that I wasn't sure. ... spin Jul 2019 #171

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #122

Who is "we"? MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #133

I got the impression that Dems were being mocked for being 'PC' Chemisse Jul 2019 #179

I wish I needed to buy a new pair of running shoes Mme. Defarge Jul 2019 #134

The Betsy Ross flag was created in 1777 during the American Revolution. spin Jul 2019 #165

I have a 'tea stained' xxqqqzme Jul 2019 #172

The move make Nike look like idiots and Kaepernick couldn't even bother to vote last time. I respect RelativelyJones Jul 2019 #177

What's the point of trying to mock Kaepernick by trying to drag out his voting performance? Judi Lynn Jul 2019 #190

The criticism isn't for not voting. Dr. Strange Jul 2019 #197

Excellent point made by Fishwax in another thread: StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #180

I would prefer not form my life around not offending the sadistic, degenerate fascists among us. Judi Lynn Jul 2019 #187

Black folks should just shut up. Sunsky Jul 2019 #191

I don't demonize it Polybius Jul 2019 #193

You got a mouse in your pocket? Iggo Jul 2019 #194