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In reply to the discussion: Why "yes, but" is the wrong answer to questions of misogyny [View all]RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)62. Many see the deconstruction of their privilege as "discrimination". We see this a lot in the
"class war" yellers who claim they are being "discriminated" against when, really, it is their unearned privileges that are being scrutinized.
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i hear so often how this is just being a man. i am in these conversation a lot of du.
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#5
perpetuate the same prejudicial...separate themselves from the oppressed group...accepted majority
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#7
i saw your post about comedian. laugh at the vulgar just holes joke. how many women sat, laughed
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#81
the women like to pretend it is not so bad, not effect all of us as a whole. the men
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#10
This is quite true. There are women who bobble-head their way through life and are terrified of
Sarah Ibarruri
Jan 2012
#32
actually we stepped away from being stupid, dependent, inferior to the sex object. one control over
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#61
boys are raised in the same stupid. this is why i fight for boys as much as girls. nt
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#71
the kids that do not have the parents discussing this are not fairing so well.... nt
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#188
"...or society's objectification of women which sadly, many women have facilitated."
PassingFair
Jan 2012
#205
we could, but we wont and we dont. on meta a female poster said, even if they clearly break du rule
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#206
i'm told,the way men are. accept it. by many. often. not that i see other men countering. dare they?
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#3
Thanks for posting this, lapislzi. Misogyny is rampant. I blame the media more than anything
Sarah Ibarruri
Jan 2012
#4
Yup! The media shows us 'twinkies' and surgically altered 'barbies' who have no opinions
Sarah Ibarruri
Jan 2012
#21
you can talk about how fox works, pornifying their women. we see palin proclaim feminist as she uses
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#207
i blame people. we know. we know what we are doing. a person feels the abuse of power
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#13
I would love to blame people outright. I can't though. I think a lot of people are unconscious.
Sarah Ibarruri
Jan 2012
#24
exactly. racism is clear. sexism? is there even sexism? nah. just that way biology made us
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#40
Often, unless one experiences something, it's hard to remember it's going on. What I find really
Sarah Ibarruri
Jan 2012
#68
Beyond complicit and silent, there are a fair few women who speak in favor of their own oppression!
riderinthestorm
Jan 2012
#147
+100000! I agree! And it is a slippery slope, which is why we MUST discuss it.
Sarah Ibarruri
Jan 2012
#170
I so agree. It's not just a cliche that young people are the future - they literally are!
Sarah Ibarruri
Jan 2012
#175
Yes! You've described something that irks me tremendously. The female participation in oppression
Sarah Ibarruri
Jan 2012
#165
how about all the women that support and perpetuate this crap. i want, expect men to speak out BUT
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#69
exactly. and the area i am in, i see most ALL women taking it and not a single one speaking out
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#87
Yes indeed, seabeyond, yes indeed. What is the best way to deal with that, though? I say
Sarah Ibarruri
Jan 2012
#172
what i do. another thread, another forum, talking about sports. a perfect example of what we hash
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#180
there was a thread on a 10 yr old girl model sexualized. men were quick to say, PRUDE.
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#15
no, it doesnt and the thread stands for people to see. with a few posts i said....
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#25
"Your memory is selective" means you are only remembering some of what went on. nt
Romulox
Jan 2012
#31
i am addressing the part of that thread that is relevant to this thread. i did not say ALL replies
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#35
So. You admonish men to speak out, but when they do it isn't relevant? That was my point! nt
Romulox
Jan 2012
#38
She did comment on my speaking out in the past, but this thread is mostly about admonishing men
RadiationTherapy
Jan 2012
#41
all thru the thread recongize the men speaking out. the post you address is about the men
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#45
Right. What *actually happened* was a lot more nuanced then "men were quick to say, PRUDE.". nt
Romulox
Jan 2012
#59
as i said, the first subthread i was typing how we will be called prude, asexual, anti sex, jealous
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#63
but i think you are showing a perfect example of what happens when discussing this issue. nt
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#64
Too bad for me. Too bad for them too. I intend to ruin their "jokes" and "funny moments"
RadiationTherapy
Jan 2012
#16
we had a thread on rape jokes. so many defended it. hubby and i listened to comedy channel
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#20
it is mens place. i could not agree more. and it is womens place to challenge the other women that
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#14
Thanks, SB, I appreciate your comments as well. While I encourage women to relentlessly challenge
RadiationTherapy
Jan 2012
#18
Girls can too. I'm not some frail princess waiting to be rescued from ogres by a handsome prince
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2012
#53
Yes, women must confront it, certainly, but (hahaha, "yes, but") since it is homosocial
RadiationTherapy
Jan 2012
#58
women, too. do we ask, why is it so hard to call ourselves women. because it means old?
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#60
Even if I thought you were frail, I would not imagine a prince/ess rescue scenario.
RadiationTherapy
Jan 2012
#65
It is up to men because it is said for the sake of men's approval. OBVIOUSLY, one would have
RadiationTherapy
Jan 2012
#101
I think, in the context of this thread, that my premises are correct.
RadiationTherapy
Jan 2012
#181
No. That does not suit me. I will confront it and encourage other men to do the same.
RadiationTherapy
Jan 2012
#187
Your opinion of the metaphoric magnitude or foolishness of my approach to this situation
RadiationTherapy
Jan 2012
#193
yes... i am thinking at this moment we have a wonderful example of exactly this. layed out, step
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#37
Many see the deconstruction of their privilege as "discrimination". We see this a lot in the
RadiationTherapy
Jan 2012
#62
I am on the inside (white, straight, bio-male) looking out, but I feel the same way sometimes.
RadiationTherapy
Jan 2012
#88
+1. it is all in the justifications. but... it is a mans forum. it shows the undercurrent
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#50
they did it solely cause she was a girl. not cause atheist. not cause she did or said anything
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#85
there issue with this is over the years we have normalized this talk to such an extent it is in RL
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#98
do you know, there are a lot of girls and women that dont hit ten, are not going to get attractive
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#136
maybe that woman that you do not see is "settling" for the less than attractive male or quietly doin
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#161
so, the true reality is, regardless, it is..... only cause she is a girl. one way or another. nt
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#196
Diversion and minimizing seems to be most men's way of not dealing with issues in general
frazzled
Jan 2012
#158
If, after reading this thread, anyone doesn't 'get it' as to why misogyny is so offensive
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#164
yes... they just isolate the "mans" room, even though women particpate, a little more
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#183