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DeSwiss

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167. TPTB know how to turn......

Sat Sep 1, 2012, 06:54 PM

Sep 2012

...politically-correct liberals on each other. They've become expert at it. And the point that one is innocent until proven guilty has become anathema in our country, even among so-called liberals and Democrats who claim to uphold the virtues of the Constitution and civil liberties.

It's an old ploy perfectly designed to undermine TRUTH by attacking the messenger. There's no point changing tactics when the masses continue to fall for the old ones. The charges made against Assange become even more questionable if one factors-in the possibility that one of the women making them may have a connection to the CIA.

- No one ever seems to take this into consideration while willingly trashing Assange's reputation on no evidence whatsoever......

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Are Liberals Too Eager to Believe Sex Charges Against Julian Assange? [View all] marmar Sep 2012 OP

Only the . sendero Sep 2012 #1

bullshit. Buzz Clik Sep 2012 #52

I know plenty about it. sendero Sep 2012 #65

My comment has to do without you baseless judgment of other people. Buzz Clik Sep 2012 #80

If you admittedly know nothing of the facts of the case, why are you judging the opinions of others? leveymg Sep 2012 #111

Wrong. Completely wrong. Buzz Clik Sep 2012 #160

+1000 DeSwiss Sep 2012 #162

the sad truth is that allegations based on sex are destructive and are Swagman Sep 2012 #279

du rec. Nt xchrom Sep 2012 #2

Nope. Not enough credible evidence fredamae Sep 2012 #3

Not this liberal. ananda Sep 2012 #4

Thank you. A well-written piece. nt Bonobo Sep 2012 #5

What article did you read? whistler162 Sep 2012 #151

"god of the hour"??? Matariki Sep 2012 #203

I don't see liberals here believing them. woo me with science Sep 2012 #6

you point out some important truths about DU and society in general. iemitsu Sep 2012 #58

From an article written by Cass Sunstein, OnyxCollie Sep 2012 #69

thank you for providing the evidence to support my claim. iemitsu Sep 2012 #90

Very important information. Thanks for posting it. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #96

Wonderful post, OnyxCollie. Really hit it dead-center. leveymg Sep 2012 #117

Conspiracy theories exist because the official explanations no longer make sense. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #126

"When it can be established OnyxCollie Sep 2012 #127

Oh, but didn't you know, that's conspiracy theory. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #133

Democratic Underground, LLC is impervious to such infiltration. OnyxCollie Sep 2012 #138

This needs a thread of its own to make sure more people see it. 1monster Sep 2012 #157

I posted it in GD a couple weeks ago. Got locked and told to take it to Creative Speculation. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #169

Thank you. nt woo me with science Sep 2012 #183

+1 HiPointDem Sep 2012 #125

Exactly. But be careful calling the astroturfers astroturfers. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #64

They are here, woo me with science Sep 2012 #186

Well said. And your observation is worth repeating. Please let me borrow a portion: AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #98

don't forget supporting the nuclear power industry. iemitsu Sep 2012 #163

No, sorry, that's a pretty stupid assertion, I'm afraid. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2012 #129

An excellent post. Rape apologia requires a lot of explanation, though, which is why msanthrope Sep 2012 #148

And it has not occurred to you that there is available evidence in this case which sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #172

That's nice, congratulations Spider Jerusalem Sep 2012 #187

Oh please. woo me with science Sep 2012 #194

He is not charged with or wanted for rape. You still are not in possession of the facts sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #196

No, I am in possession of the facts Spider Jerusalem Sep 2012 #207

Obviously you are not in possession of the facts. He is wanted for QUESTIONING. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #209

He is not "wanted for questioning" Spider Jerusalem Sep 2012 #210

He is wanted for questioning. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #213

No, he is not merely "wanted for questioning". Spider Jerusalem Sep 2012 #216

"... In the Swedish system formal indictment takes place at a very late stage in proceedings, struggle4progress Sep 2012 #225

Again he is wanted for questioning, that is all. There are no charges filed. I am well sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #229

... In this matter, the prosecutor�s deliberations resulted in a request for the detention struggle4progress Sep 2012 #244

"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list struggle4progress Sep 2012 #223

and yet they will relentlessly say otherwise fascisthunter Sep 2012 #171

Not this Liberal either. 99Forever Sep 2012 #7

Just the opposite... SidDithers Sep 2012 #8

not ignoring them Enrique Sep 2012 #18

I ignore nothing-but focus fredamae Sep 2012 #29

Pesky liberals and their support of whistle blowers. rhett o rick Sep 2012 #40

There are no sex charges against Assange. That is why Liberals sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #79

Take it up with the OP... SidDithers Sep 2012 #115

Then why did not correct it? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #135

"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list struggle4progress Sep 2012 #265

Is that your experience in Canada? Are liberals in Canada the same as liberals in the US? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #104

... SidDithers Sep 2012 #109

There are no sex charges against Assange. How often do you need to be sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #200

"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list struggle4progress Sep 2012 #266

Hero worship gets in the way of a rational discussion of this. randome Sep 2012 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author marmar Sep 2012 #10

So does strident labeling of anyone who questions the charges as being afflicted by "hero worship" marmar Sep 2012 #11

Not at all. randome Sep 2012 #13

If Assange "steps out" in Sweden, he could be "Siegelmann"'d Doctor_J Sep 2012 #23

After two years of letting him play the appeals process for all it was worth... randome Sep 2012 #25

Nothing has changed because of Assange?? Doctor_J Sep 2012 #30

No nothing, and giving him credit for every single thing that happened treestar Sep 2012 #191

There are a few countries in this world that would totally disagree with you on that. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #234

Assange "stole"??? 1monster Sep 2012 #45

I suppose the correct statement is that Manning stole the documents. randome Sep 2012 #83

Oh, so now you are condemning him for NOT stealing. 1monster Sep 2012 #159

Not at all. How could you interpret it that way? treestar Sep 2012 #192

"letting him play the appeals process for all it was worth" JDPriestly Sep 2012 #53

Is breaking the terms of his bail part of the process, too? randome Sep 2012 #54

Purely silly treestar Sep 2012 #190

Narcissism isn't against the law in any country, as far as I'm aware. If the women themselves 1monster Sep 2012 #31

Exactly. The world is watching. randome Sep 2012 #35

President Obama dosen't flinch at "taking out" actual and supposed enemies and 1monster Sep 2012 #42

Yes, justice is always up to us. randome Sep 2012 #48

You know what? I don't care what you think. Especially since you are using 1monster Sep 2012 #63

Have you a link for "has refused to cooperate with the Swedish police", please? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #108

Its been a while since I read it, but will try to find it for you... 1monster Sep 2012 #168

Opening Post, second paragraph 1monster Sep 2012 #174

That's just an American writer claiming it, in an opinion piece muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #175

You still haven't read the damned police interview protocols, have you n/t reorg Sep 2012 #176

Yes, I did (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #178

Apparently, Sweden is a unique jurisdiction...a person reports acts, and then msanthrope Sep 2012 #180

And being a narcissist means he is a rapist. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #47

I asked you before but you have not answered: Where do you see this hero-worship, and who sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #99

+1000! eom BlueMTexpat Sep 2012 #32

How else to explain an utter inability to distinguish the treestar Sep 2012 #189

What are you talking about? Repetez en anglais, s'il vous plait. marmar Sep 2012 #198

And who would be these 'hero worshippers' you speak of? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #85

I agree liberal_at_heart Sep 2012 #144

Nope. Unless of course you automatically believe that women lie about assault. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #12

Red herring and diversion. ananda Sep 2012 #14

You're not denying the charges? You just think he should get a free pass? randome Sep 2012 #15

TYFYC. nt valerief Sep 2012 #60

You're welcome. randome Sep 2012 #67

Why, if they have a case, have they not filed it? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #82

So you're saying that this grand conspiracy against Assange... randome Sep 2012 #84

I stated a fact. There are still no charges against Assange after two, long years where it was sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #88

You already know the answer to that. randome Sep 2012 #93

And you already know that this excuse has been debunked over and over again. Even they sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #95

So the conspirators leave that big a hole in their plans? randome Sep 2012 #100

Resorting again to personal attacks, but you still have not answered the question nearly sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #105

I don't think I added 'personal attacks' to my arguments. randome Sep 2012 #113

It is not correct to say that Sweden could not arrest someone in London. They are a member sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #110

He was arrested for return to Sweden, though, isn't that it? randome Sep 2012 #114

Um, a Swedish court has ordered his arrest: the Swedes want him back in Sweden to arrest him struggle4progress Sep 2012 #253

"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list Vi struggle4progress Sep 2012 #267

Lies, lies and lies are all you are offering. Assange was cleared and allowed to leave 1monster Sep 2012 #34

Assange left Sweden the day before his scheduled interview with the prosecutor hack89 Sep 2012 #240

Assange had no scheduled interview with the prosecutor. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #286

No - the lawyer admits under oath that he lied before hack89 Sep 2012 #290

I don't care what the lawyer did. You made the false claim that Assange had sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #293

There was a scheduled appointment - the lawyer admits to it. hack89 Sep 2012 #297

"... In cross-examination the Swedish lawyer confirmed that paragraph 13 of his proof of evidence is struggle4progress Sep 2012 #251

Well, if he had run, you would have a point. But he did not run. In fact he went to the police sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #92

The Assange defense lied about that in UK court, and the UK court caught them lying: struggle4progress Sep 2012 #252

The defense did not lie, the defense like many defense attorneys do every day sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #289

Assange's attorney admitted to the court he had made untrue claims -- yet you repeat those claims struggle4progress Sep 2012 #294

What the lawyer and the prosecutor did is not relevant to what Assange did. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #296

No, I believe a woman when she says 'there was no rape'. Why would anyone not believe her? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #97

"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story" struggle4progress Sep 2012 #276

God damn it ! THERE ARE NO CHARGES ! Swagman Sep 2012 #282

There is a valid arrest order from a Swedish court, which has withstood several appeals struggle4progress Sep 2012 #295

Glad you brought up the 'valid arrest warrant'. There is doubt as to whether that arrest sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #298

The matter's been litigated thoroughly in both the UK and Sweden. The Swedish court's arrest order struggle4progress Sep 2012 #299

The matter of the legitimacy of the warrant has been raised and has not been litigated sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #300

Warrant validity was the central topic in the UK cases. Assange lost. The cases are here: struggle4progress Sep 2012 #301

It has not been litigated in Sweden. The issue has been raised in Sweden and sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #303

K&R Cleita Sep 2012 #16

Only the ones without critical thinking skills. nt Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #19

Only the liberals who have OnyxCollie Sep 2012 #20

Not this liberal... AnneD Sep 2012 #21

Ha! Rove? randome Sep 2012 #37

Need to read the link.... KoKo Sep 2012 #38

Sorry. randome Sep 2012 #43

Yes, Rove, glad you brought it up. Rove has been, oh so coincidentally, in the background sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #101

I hear he's related to Kevin Bacon, too. randome Sep 2012 #103

Let me try again to keep this discussion on an adult level. Why has the prosecutor sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #106

Got any evidence of that? I'm sure you are not trying to be funny since you apparently take sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #107

I think nothing of Rove, the criminal 'mastermind' behind Palin, Romney & Akin. randome Sep 2012 #120

So you believe that he is a war criminal. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #128

LOL!... SidDithers Sep 2012 #118

Not everywhere, but definitely and coincidentally in Sweden at just the 'right' time. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #231

Rove and his dirty tricks..... AnneD Sep 2012 #228

If you remember he was being questioned by Congress for his role in the firing of the US sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #232

That will be one... AnneD Sep 2012 #233

Some of our peeps are a little like the Dittiots Doctor_J Sep 2012 #22

From someone whose favorite group is the gungeon! valerief Sep 2012 #61

An ad hominem fallacy is the best that you've got? That's it? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #102

Yeah, a poll in gungeon wouldn't be biased. valerief Sep 2012 #132

Selection bias in that poll. ElboRuum Sep 2012 #302

I miss UnRec krawhitham Sep 2012 #24

Yes. a2liberal Sep 2012 #26

It's one of the easiest ways to manipulate liberals. The Doctor. Sep 2012 #27

and I seriously doubt they are liberals fascisthunter Sep 2012 #28

If there are two 'sides' to the Assange story... randome Sep 2012 #36

Invectives such as "rape apologist" you mean? nt Bonobo Sep 2012 #41

'Rape apologists'. randome Sep 2012 #46

"Rape apologist" is more offensive than any of the ones you listed. Bonobo Sep 2012 #50

There are invectives from both sides, I agree. randome Sep 2012 #51

Yes there are two sides and it's not the liberal side that wants rhett o rick Sep 2012 #44

This liberal does not want to 'lynch' anyone. randome Sep 2012 #49

Then we agree. However, in an earlier post I believe you called him rhett o rick Sep 2012 #81

The Swedish Prosecutors are entirely responsible for the sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #164

Such as your own comments in this thread dismissing those who actually want to see sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #143

I don't want to see any evidence because it's none of my business. randome Sep 2012 #147

Well that has been obvious, 'I don't want to see any evidence'. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #166

Brava! Papable hit. Valid point! 1monster Sep 2012 #185

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #217

+1000 valerief Sep 2012 #56

self-delete; dupe valerief Sep 2012 #62

BS. Why is this case the litmus test for whether a person is a liberal? treestar Sep 2012 #193

No, but right-wingers who pose as liberals on liberal websites brentspeak Sep 2012 #33

+1000 valerief Sep 2012 #57

+1000 more! backscatter712 Sep 2012 #66

Bullseye! Thread win for total succinct accuracy. nt Zorra Sep 2012 #74

K&R KoKo Sep 2012 #39

Only those 'posing' as liberals claim to believe this shit. valerief Sep 2012 #55

From my observations, I've seen quite the opposite reaction among liberals to the charges Cirque du So-What Sep 2012 #59

But I thought Obama wanted Assange 'put away'. randome Sep 2012 #68

Obama is a centrist, not a liberal. We liberals wish he was a liberal. Oh, yeah, and valerief Sep 2012 #134

Yeah, but I don't think a centrist would be out to 'get' Assange. randome Sep 2012 #137

K&R'd. snot Sep 2012 #70

No, he needs to face those charges. alarimer Sep 2012 #71

There are NO fucking charges to face, "serious" or otherwise. 99Forever Sep 2012 #87

Whatever you or Sweden want to call them, the facts are... randome Sep 2012 #89

And again, you leave out one very important fact. Assange has been available for questioning sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #141

Save your imperiosa argumentum... 99Forever Sep 2012 #170

The only reason I repeatedly respond to this posters comments sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #199

It takes energy to do what you are doing to set the facts straight, and I thank you. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #220

What charges? He has never been charged? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #116

In my experience no one is ever too eager to believe rape charges, particularly against a celebrity. D23MIURG23 Sep 2012 #72

I see the opposite in this case. I see a concerted effort to believe the rape sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #173

HUH? I'm a liberal.... Iggy Sep 2012 #73

What were the women wearing? Did they lead him on? Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #75

You should really do some Googling before you post something like that. randome Sep 2012 #78

Far more important than any of that, THEY DENIED THERE WAS ANY RAPE. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #121

Did they say that there was NO SEXUAL ASSAULT OF ANY KIND? Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #149

They stated that there was no threat to them, that they were never in danger sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #161

Well, if that is true, then Assange should be able to win easily in Sweden struggle4progress Sep 2012 #245

"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story" struggle4progress Sep 2012 #277

In what way, exactly, are those who have abandoned the presumption of innocence "liberals"? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #76

You haven't been keeping up with the case since 2010, it seems muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #124

You are claiming to have special expertise on an issue of which you obviously do not such expertise. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #206

'All lawyers'? Totally wrong. You apparently are the one not keeping up with this case. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #238

This is not about success in court; it's about when the allegation is 'rape' muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #239

Some interesting excerpts from Donald Bostr�m's statement: ronnie624 Sep 2012 #287

Note that the rape allegation is about Sofia, not the woman Bostr�m refers to (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #288

Sofia went to the police initially, ronnie624 Sep 2012 #291

"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list V struggle4progress Sep 2012 #268

There are a few DUers here who'll do everything they can to smear Assange. Alduin Sep 2012 #77

Really? In a country that brought us... KansDem Sep 2012 #86

Liberals? Why are we getting dumped on again? Rex Sep 2012 #91

Bizarre question. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #94

K&R You got five of them to come out so far. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #112

I neither believe or disbelieve those charges. MineralMan Sep 2012 #119

It is all moot, you're right. randome Sep 2012 #122

And all three of those who were there have said 'there was no rape'. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #142

Did they say that to you, Sabrina 1? MineralMan Sep 2012 #181

No, I have it directly from the evidence. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #230

"the public�s desire to see officials investigate rape/crimes against women is being exploited" HiPointDem Sep 2012 #123

Too bad for Assange that he wasn't accused of torture or banking fraud. OnyxCollie Sep 2012 #130

If he's wanted by Sweden, he's definitely guilty MannyGoldstein Sep 2012 #131

You left Karl Rove out of your tin-foil theory, Manny....nt SidDithers Sep 2012 #136

Yes, he did. But I did not. Karl Rove fled to Sweden when he was wanted here by sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #140

Did you have any specific comments regarding facts? MannyGoldstein Sep 2012 #226

Sweeden needs to back off on Assange. (nt) w4rma Sep 2012 #139

Here's how George Galloway put it... Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #152

"Shooting George Galloway in the face isn't murder! It's just bad gun etiquette!" struggle4progress Sep 2012 #158

Probably. Robb Sep 2012 #145

I think there are people on both sides of this issue liberal_at_heart Sep 2012 #146

Wypijewski's piece shows just how much analytical power the Left has lost, by abandoning struggle4progress Sep 2012 #150

Wrong. The analytical powers of the left have never been stronger. Zorra Sep 2012 #165

Your peculiar belief, that everyone who disagrees with you is a rightwinger, can serve struggle4progress Sep 2012 #197

Your peculiar penchant for trashing the left and leftists has Zorra Sep 2012 #202

Your peculiar belief, that everyone who disagrees with you is a rightwinger, can serve struggle4progress Sep 2012 #212

LOL! Bush: "See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again Zorra Sep 2012 #247

At the risk of being flamed to death... renie408 Sep 2012 #153

Wikileaks is sacred here liberal_at_heart Sep 2012 #155

it's nothing to do with wikileaks being 'sacred'. i personally have doubts about what wikileaks HiPointDem Sep 2012 #221

Yeah, it is a mystery, isn't it? randome Sep 2012 #156

Authoritarian government woo me with science Sep 2012 #182

Did you recognize that you use the word "Americans' in the exact same way a renie408 Sep 2012 #214

It IS interesting! OnyxCollie Sep 2012 #218

Some people were so thrilled with Wikileaks treestar Sep 2012 #195

Wow Fla_Democrat Sep 2012 #154

TPTB know how to turn...... DeSwiss Sep 2012 #167

That's because "Israel Shamir" who authored that rumour (at your link) is well known in Sweden msanthrope Sep 2012 #179

Yep. Note the mantra. woo me with science Sep 2012 #184

Many people come here simply to find out what happened Herlong Sep 2012 #177

What we believe does not matter treestar Sep 2012 #188

Is that philosophy true across the boards or just when you find it a good arguing point. Bonobo Sep 2012 #201

Pretty much. A legal system is to make it go by the evidence treestar Sep 2012 #285

What we know is that the prosecutor has evaded and obfuscated and avoided filing sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #204

OMG. enough is enough. Time to trash this thread. Good ridance. liberal_at_heart Sep 2012 #205

I believe he should answer the charges, assuming neither guilt nor innocence. AtomicKitten Sep 2012 #208

Well, that's up to the prosecutor. He already voluntary spoke to the police. But the prosecutor sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #211

The Assange defense lied about that in UK court, and the UK court caught them lying: struggle4progress Sep 2012 #270

You "believe he should answer the charges" when no charges have been brought by a prosecutor? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #215

Charges as in formal allegation. 'Kay? Knock off the semantics BS. AtomicKitten Sep 2012 #219

"semantics BS"? Is that different from your "BS"? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #222

You clearly do not value (nor are familiar with) Sweden's legal due process. AtomicKitten Sep 2012 #224

extradition is NOT used merely to ask questions daeron Sep 2012 #227

And you clearly do not understand Sweden's legal due process. A process that so far sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #237

Before accusing others of unfamiliarity with facts.. girl gone mad Sep 2012 #284

What is a 'formal allegation'? Is that a new legal term? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #236

"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list struggle4progress Sep 2012 #271

"... In the Swedish system formal indictment takes place at a very late stage in proceedings, struggle4progress Sep 2012 #272

The Stockholm District Court has ordered Assange's arrest. He appealed twice but lost struggle4progress Sep 2012 #273

There are no charges. If there ever are, then maybe he can answer them. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #235

Besides the charges on his arrest warrant you mean? nt hack89 Sep 2012 #241

Hack's back. How about answering my questions on your standards as the arbiter of a sex crime riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #242

Still denying reality I see? hack89 Sep 2012 #243

Nice try hack. The women didn't report a crime, they went for an HIV test riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #246

So why are they still pursuing the issue? hack89 Sep 2012 #248

If you answer my questions first, I'll answer yours. riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #249

None of that is rape if it was consensual. hack89 Sep 2012 #250

I wouldn't. And neither did the women in Sweden. But you are saying you get to decide riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #255

So where did the detailed and graphic description found in the arrest warrant hack89 Sep 2012 #256

I just told you the exact same thing happened to me this morning and I am a-ok with that. riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #259

Why are you ignoring the three other charges? hack89 Sep 2012 #261

So why did the women describe an sexual assault? hack89 Sep 2012 #257

NO! The women didn't describe sexual assault! riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #260

I don't think you have shown me any such interview. hack89 Sep 2012 #262

. riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #263

So these women have made no public comment since 2010? hack89 Sep 2012 #264

The same woman didn't think it was rape, but did think it was assault tammywammy Sep 2012 #281

"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story" struggle4progress Sep 2012 #278

"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list struggle4progress Sep 2012 #274

The Stockholm District Court has ordered Assange's arrest. He appealed twice but lost struggle4progress Sep 2012 #275

I would ask the opposite question. mzmolly Sep 2012 #254

I can't dismissed the allegations that she was a CIA operative Ichingcarpenter Sep 2012 #258

I thought there was more than one mzmolly Sep 2012 #269

There were two women involved. n/t tammywammy Sep 2012 #283

Yes--you can dismiss those allegations....they are completely fabricated by a nasty little man msanthrope Sep 2012 #292

and they are not victims : they are 'alleged victims' just as the accused has Swagman Sep 2012 #280