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29. Is this the way you want to live?

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 09:05 PM

Dec 2019

Last edited Mon Dec 30, 2019, 09:49 PM - Edit history (1)

Everyone packing heat ready to kill at the drop of a hat.

It wasn't always like this, I remember back before the mass marketing of weapons of war people didn't have to worry about random killing In public.

Gun control works, see Austrailia.

This was not a success, it was a failure. Ask the two families of the dead.

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This time the right guy had a gun, and stopped more carnage. [View all] Archae Dec 2019 OP

that's how the NRA thrives Skittles Dec 2019 #1

I, and the guy who took down the kook are not "gun humpers." Archae Dec 2019 #2

I sent the clip to a friend in Australia Skittles Dec 2019 #6

i'm with you CatWoman Dec 2019 #51

thanks to the NRA, guns are everywhere Skittles Dec 2019 #102

That's completely accurate. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2020 #132

Hysterics? JonLP24 Dec 2019 #12

Yes, a gun is a very efficient tool. It gives its owner the power to take many lives in mere moments VOX Dec 2019 #14

my niece was killed with a handgun by her stepgrandfather. His gun was kept loaded in a drawer CTyankee Dec 2019 #76

So very sorry. If I had my way, I'd melt every firearm down and use the steel for something positive VOX Jan 2020 #147

tobacco was never sacralized the way guns were. It was nasty and made you smell bad and CTyankee Jan 2020 #149

While it hasn't occurred in my family, I do think about the "ripple effect" each gun death brings. VOX Jan 2020 #150

Thanks for "listening." You summed it up well: we have whole town traumatized by gun CTyankee Jan 2020 #151

Comparing a hammer to a gun is way the hell out there rockfordfile Dec 2019 #37

It's a standard Gunner metaphor. maxsolomon Dec 2019 #80

Comparing a hammer to a gun proves you are clueless. nt USALiberal Dec 2019 #61

a gun is a tool? Brainstormy Jan 2020 #226

+++++++++++ HAB911 Dec 2019 #63

The good guy snowybirdie Dec 2019 #3

It reinforces the need for a ban on high capacity weapons, imo. Chemisse Dec 2019 #66

Autos aren't used in "the carnage"..Automatic weapons are very highly regulated. AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #148

Thanks for clarifying snowybirdie Jan 2020 #165

It makes a huge difference....100 rds/minute compared to 600-900 rds/min AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #220

but somehow, the Las Vegas shooter got off over 1000 rounds stopdiggin Jan 2020 #176

That freak in Vegas was using a bump stock..it's why they are illegal now. AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #216

Defensive gun uses like this help dispel the idea that concealed carriers are all wannabe Zimmermans Jake Stern Dec 2019 #4

Bad guys with a gun... ExciteBike66 Dec 2019 #56

What it means is that snort Dec 2019 #5

He was not there to slaughter people Pompoy Dec 2019 #105

In this case, the shooter was under observation because he was acting so weird. Hoyt Dec 2019 #7

That's silly...what if the dirtbag had been observed by unarmed observers... AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #117

He was also known to the church as an issue. Rather than waiting for him to shoot, Hoyt Jan 2020 #119

What would you do...."bean" him(the bad guy) in the head? AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #120

The guard was watching a known problem, but didn't have guts/smarts Hoyt Jan 2020 #123

The freak had a shotgun....hidden under a trenchcoat. AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #130

They were observing him before, because he had been a problem before. Hoyt Jan 2020 #131

Keep tryin'....you'll lock a door and bean someone....Mr. Wilson is a hero. AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #133

Read these articles. Your boy Wilson and other "guards" knew he was up to Hoyt Jan 2020 #134

Exactly as I said above...so? Also as I said above...you aren't good at this. AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #135

Wilson screwed up because he only had guts to position Hoyt Jan 2020 #136

That's hystarically funny crap right there.... AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #137

If he'd had guts, he'd have asked they guy to come outside and Hoyt Jan 2020 #138

Keep running with that....Mr.Wilson is a National Hero...he's gaining Sully status AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #139

Discussionist and gun websites maybe, not most places now that the truth is Hoyt Jan 2020 #140

Hang on that thin thead dude...that and beans will get you... AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #143

Wow!!!! dware Jan 2020 #153

You must be a gunner. Figures. Hoyt Jan 2020 #157

That's your answer to my post? dware Jan 2020 #158

Actually, there is no federal law prohibiting carrying a gun in CVs. Some states might not Hoyt Jan 2020 #160

I never once applauded this shooting, dware Jan 2020 #161

No matter how you look at it a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy ... spin Jan 2020 #202

Nope. Should have grabbed him before he opened fire. Guy had caused problems before, wearing trench Hoyt Jan 2020 #204

So it is illegal to wear a wig and a fake mustache? ... spin Jan 2020 #210

Sorry, I disagree. If you are going to play "guard/security," be prepared to act when there Hoyt Jan 2020 #211

Go ahead. Jump on someone wearing a wig and a fake mustache. ... spin Jan 2020 #212

Didn't have to beat the crap out of him; but, if they had a few lives would have been saved. Hoyt Jan 2020 #213

I will definitely agree there were different options with the Travon Martin case. ... spin Jan 2020 #214

Source link....this should be interesting. AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #219

Gave you a link earlier. Guess you forgot it already. You NRA gunner hero should have acted sooner. Hoyt Jan 2020 #221

Keep trying....this in no way backs your claim... AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #222

A hero to gun-toters. The other 90+% of population, not so much. Hoyt Jan 2020 #223

He's a hero to many of the church goers that might have been killed AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #224

Give it up. dware Jan 2020 #231

It's not "seems".....he absolutly hates us..infringes on his admitted past profession. AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #233

Admitted past profession? dware Jan 2020 #234

Sure can... AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #235

Wow!!!! dware Jan 2020 #238

Its good that they were white Liberalhammer Dec 2019 #8

One of the victims was a black man. cwydro Dec 2019 #19

That hurt my heart to read....the post you replied to. I guess agenda trumps facts. AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #118

Still doesn't address the desperation of the right in trying to minimize the fact Thomas Hurt Dec 2019 #9

Mass shootings will be further normalized by a metric of "bystanders killed until GGWG kills BGWG." VOX Dec 2019 #10

The first guy killed was a good guy with gun that was in the process of drawing his pistol which braddy Dec 2019 #11

That you dont see the issue angrychair Dec 2019 #13

Guns always end or force the end of the mass murder, and this reaction looked just like my church braddy Dec 2019 #16

Only the men are armed? cwydro Dec 2019 #20

I have never heared anyone in the church brag about being armed, and I haven't noticed any women braddy Dec 2019 #24

Oh, so you know because everyone is wearing one on their hip? cwydro Dec 2019 #30

Your conclusions are weird and appear hostile, I did try to answer you about my church but now you braddy Dec 2019 #31

Why would you want to go to a church where everyone is armed? panader0 Dec 2019 #52

I have never been to or heard of a church where "everyone is armed", that sounds mandatory. braddy Dec 2019 #75

You said no one bragged about it, so I wondered how you knew that "every man is armed." cwydro Dec 2019 #69

You said "brag", I said "almost" every man is armed, so far the minister doesn't carry although braddy Dec 2019 #74

And this will repeat itself over and over again where whole communities are forever CTyankee Jan 2020 #152

I like America. braddy Jan 2020 #155

Well, alrighty then. I guess that's settled. CTyankee Jan 2020 #156

"The nutcase had an ILLEGAL gun, (sawed-off shotgun,) and was a felon to boot." LaurenOlimina Dec 2019 #15

It was a shotgun. Archae Dec 2019 #38

So a legally purchased weapon? LaurenOlimina Dec 2019 #40

No. AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #121

Why do so many take guns to church? onecaliberal Dec 2019 #17

Because WWJD? Dagstead Bumwood Dec 2019 #21

Maybe republican Jesus would but not the Jesus in the Bible. The one who said, "thou shall not kill" onecaliberal Dec 2019 #23

Yep, that's him. Dagstead Bumwood Dec 2019 #25

The actual commandment is Thou shall not murder (unlawful killing) Peter carried a sword with Jesus. braddy Dec 2019 #26

Seems like they had a lot of security Red Mountain Dec 2019 #18

Wow, victim blaming much? cwydro Dec 2019 #46

Does anyone know the origin of the name "White Settlement?" nt LAS14 Dec 2019 #22

Someone earlier posted some history... Whiskeytide Dec 2019 #33

Thanks. nt LAS14 Dec 2019 #36

It doesn't fit the narrative sarisataka Dec 2019 #27

Excellent point. cwydro Dec 2019 #47

It doesn't fit the narrative. I, for one, am happy that they took the shooter down. Chemisse Dec 2019 #67

I am glad the shooter was stopped sarisataka Dec 2019 #73

Gun fetishes are disgusting. hunter Dec 2019 #28

Is this the way you want to live? XRubicon Dec 2019 #29

we've been living this nightmare scenario for years, brought to you by the NRA and the GOP Demonaut Dec 2019 #35

Australian gun control "works?" Archae Dec 2019 #39

Yes, Austrailian gun control works XRubicon Dec 2019 #41

So in New Zealand he bought those assault rifles? Archae Dec 2019 #48

My understanding is he bought large capacity magazines illegally XRubicon Dec 2019 #54

Australia has had more mass shootings after their semi-auto ban than they did before it Recursion Dec 2019 #42

Gun violence is directly related to gun laws. XRubicon Dec 2019 #43

So, nothing? I listed 10 mass shootings in Australia since the semi-auto ban Recursion Dec 2019 #44

I've seen a few people here... Archae Dec 2019 #49

I'm not for banning all guns XRubicon Dec 2019 #58

You keep mentioning that there are a few people that want to ban ALL guns mokawanis Dec 2019 #64

Interesting that when you're bested, you claim dware Dec 2019 #59

Ok, according to wikipedia there have been 423 mass shootings XRubicon Dec 2019 #65

I was just commenting on that when you were shown to be wrong, dware Dec 2019 #68

ok.. I showed you how bad the data above is that you accepted XRubicon Dec 2019 #78

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2019 #93

I'll take that bet, because you would lose. dware Dec 2019 #110

Happy New Year! XRubicon Jan 2020 #113

The pleasure is all mine. dware Jan 2020 #115

And according to Mother Jones there have been 120 since 1982 Recursion Dec 2019 #97

Really? Jake Stern Jan 2020 #127

They get their guns out of state such as the Southern States JonLP24 Jan 2020 #186

What are you talking about? CTyankee Jan 2020 #178

Great example, thanks: 90 mass shooters in the US from 1966 to 2012 Recursion Jan 2020 #179

Did you read the piece I forwarded? CTyankee Jan 2020 #181

I did. Its conclusion seems to be "America is large" Recursion Jan 2020 #182

Do you disagree with the findings of the study and I quote: CTyankee Jan 2020 #183

I mean, their data don't support that weird claim Recursion Jan 2020 #184

Well, the NYT author has data that would suggest that you are mistaken. CTyankee Jan 2020 #185

No, I'm using that author's data Recursion Jan 2020 #187

Again, since you are using that author's data and arrive at a different conclusion, you obviously CTyankee Jan 2020 #189

Because there's no particular reason to? Recursion Jan 2020 #193

OK, we'll start from there, where we can agree. Fair enough. CTyankee Jan 2020 #196

On the political reality I imagine you're correct Recursion Jan 2020 #197

What happened to it? Was the idea crushed by the minions of the NRA? CTyankee Jan 2020 #206

The same thing that happened to his campaign Recursion Jan 2020 #207

public parks? I have lots of them cavorting around my house. I know how cold the winter will be CTyankee Jan 2020 #208

Ha! Recursion Jan 2020 #209

People want to blame anything but the guns JonLP24 Jan 2020 #188

I think we are going gently into that direction. CTyankee Jan 2020 #191

If I could make all handguns disappear I'd happily do that Recursion Jan 2020 #192

And assault rifles? CTyankee Jan 2020 #203

That's below making vending machines not tip over Recursion Jan 2020 #205

How did that work out for Beto? AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #236

Ah, yes, the Beto question! CTyankee Jan 2020 #237

The church had a lot of security because they know how dangerous gun-toters are. Hoyt Dec 2019 #32

Unrec Stinky The Clown Dec 2019 #34

"This time" StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #45

The good guy with the gun did not stop the bad guy with a gun from killing people uponit7771 Dec 2019 #50

Exactly! tosh Dec 2019 #71

+1. GRAs think if only 10 people are killed or shot & the bad guy with a gun is stopped after that uponit7771 Dec 2019 #88

But he did stop him from killing more, dware Dec 2019 #72

That's not the goal we were told by the NRA and GRAs. We were told the good guy with the gun can uponit7771 Dec 2019 #87

I would bet the person in the killer's crosshairs the instant he was shot by the good guy with mr_lebowski Jan 2020 #129

I would agree, my issue isn't with them my issue is with the bunk assed meme of "good person uponit7771 Jan 2020 #141

One freaking time out of a million. lark Dec 2019 #53

+1, the good guy with a gun did not stop the bad guy with a gun from killing people ... uponit7771 Dec 2019 #96

Although, we did know about the whacked out logic Bettie Dec 2019 #100

+1, like to see what folk say when them or thiers eats some bullets uponit7771 Dec 2019 #106

Pfft please ExciteBike66 Dec 2019 #55

Yay...two people are dead! Bettie Dec 2019 #57

You don't think that someone stopping a possible mass shooting dware Dec 2019 #62

I think that with better regulation Bettie Dec 2019 #86

And on that note, I agree with you. dware Jan 2020 #111

Don't focus too much on mental health treatment as an answer for gun violence JonLP24 Jan 2020 #190

I tend to lump in with mental health care Bettie Jan 2020 #195

I agree regarding anger management JonLP24 Jan 2020 #198

Where does this get categorized though? Bettie Jan 2020 #199

I wouldn't worry about it JonLP24 Jan 2020 #200

Next time, I'll simply elaborate as to Bettie Jan 2020 #201

Not as good of an outcome as keeping mass kill devices out of the hands of the GP and making it uponit7771 Dec 2019 #90

+1, the good guy with a gun did not stop the bad guy with a gun from killing people uponit7771 Dec 2019 #89

But he probably stopped him from killing more people Polybius Dec 2019 #94

Not the goal, the goal of the good guy was to keep the bad guy from doing ANY damage not just uponit7771 Dec 2019 #95

With a shotgun, it is entirely possible he had Bettie Dec 2019 #99

"they can shove it", LOL, OK tough guy! nt USALiberal Dec 2019 #60

Only in Texas do guns belong in Church. milestogo Dec 2019 #70

People here have come to accept mass shootings as routine Kaleva Dec 2019 #77

Funny thing there. Because looking at the picture that was shared... Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2019 #79

So all these decades later, gun people have their story that the right man had a gun. Lexee Dec 2019 #81

The Fallacy of Incomplete Evidence Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2019 #83

The good guy with the gun did not stop the bad guy with a gun from killing people, they have their uponit7771 Dec 2019 #91

Another Consideration. Who pays the Ambulance and Hospital bills? MarcA Dec 2019 #98

If they got shot in church Bettie Dec 2019 #107

Yes many of them believe that and god says we have MarcA Jan 2020 #128

They weren't "church provided armed security"....they were volunteers. AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #122

Provided armed security can be volunteers as well as paid. MarcA Jan 2020 #125

But they weren't....so it's moot AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #126

it's a sickness...arm everyone.. stillcool Dec 2019 #82

I'm not sad the crazed gunman got killed. But in New York... Bucky Dec 2019 #84

And it was still too late - 2 people killed. cbdo2007 Dec 2019 #85

THANK YOU !!! uponit7771 Dec 2019 #92

+1 Bettie Dec 2019 #101

Imagine a country where churches and schools do not have armed guards. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #103

The problem is, while someone with a gun was able to take out the shooter ego_nation Dec 2019 #104

Actually their good guy with a gun system failed. MarcA Jan 2020 #124

Oh wow, so a ... TRAINED ... good person with a gun couldn't stop the untrained bad person uponit7771 Jan 2020 #145

Yes, the story was in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram paper and online. MarcA Jan 2020 #171

He wasn't trained in clairvoyance. Straw Man Jan 2020 #174

+1, therefore eliminate easy access to all firearms and make the owning if them harder than owningt uponit7771 Jan 2020 #175

Because .. Straw Man Jan 2020 #194

That's the way I see it. They should have grabbed this guy with a history of anger at the church, Hoyt Jan 2020 #146

+1, the goal post have been moved to the good person with a gun will stop the bad person after uponit7771 Jan 2020 #144

Always carry Alea Dec 2019 #108

Please tell, where do you live where you are in fear every day. XRubicon Dec 2019 #109

lol Alea Jan 2020 #112

Enjoy! XRubicon Jan 2020 #114

... while watching people getting killed and responding after they're dead? tia uponit7771 Jan 2020 #142

Location, location, location. Fla_Democrat Jan 2020 #116

The TX laws are being praised for "working" and keeping it from "being worse." Uh... Beartracks Jan 2020 #154

yup Skittles Jan 2020 #163

+1, yep the goal post has been moved from stopping BGWG to "not a lot of dead people" uponit7771 Jan 2020 #173

Why don't you ask the families how they feel about the armed parishioner taking down the shooter? Jake Stern Jan 2020 #215

In a Town Called.... LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #159

This perp had a sawed-off shotgun right? How many times could it be fired before it was empty? RockRaven Jan 2020 #162

So if I'm reading your post correctly, dware Jan 2020 #166

You are not reading my post correctly then. I am asking for information which will clarify whether RockRaven Jan 2020 #168

How many rounds depends on which model of the shotgun. ManiacJoe Jan 2020 #172

From what I'm reading, a sawed off pump action can hold 5-7 rounds. Kaleva Jan 2020 #167

Thanks for the info. RockRaven Jan 2020 #169

You asked an interesting question and it greatly depends on what type of shotgun it is. Kaleva Jan 2020 #170

here's another way to look at it Skittles Jan 2020 #164

suicide is the new over the top gender reveal parties. pansypoo53219 Jan 2020 #177

"All gunz gotta be BANNED!" myohmy2 Jan 2020 #180

If no one had a gun, no one would have died. I don't want to live in a war zone. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #217

How do you do that.." If no one had a gun,.." AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #225

Bull shit...time to stop allowing people to be gunned down in theaters, churches...stores...the Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #227

I ask again...how do you do that..no guns... AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #230

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #229

Way to use the NRA's exact slogans for defeating all gun control... jcgoldie Jan 2020 #218

Bullshit...people still died. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #228

And more likely would have been killed.. had it not been for Mr. Wilson. AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #232