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In reply to the discussion: This time the right guy had a gun, and stopped more carnage. [View all]Hoyt
(54,770 posts)146. That's the way I see it. They should have grabbed this guy with a history of anger at the church,
wearing a trench coat, with a fake mustache, guards picked him out of crowd, etc. Christ, that's a major failure on "guard's" part.
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Yes, a gun is a very efficient tool. It gives its owner the power to take many lives in mere moments
VOX
Dec 2019
#14
my niece was killed with a handgun by her stepgrandfather. His gun was kept loaded in a drawer
CTyankee
Dec 2019
#76
So very sorry. If I had my way, I'd melt every firearm down and use the steel for something positive
VOX
Jan 2020
#147
tobacco was never sacralized the way guns were. It was nasty and made you smell bad and
CTyankee
Jan 2020
#149
While it hasn't occurred in my family, I do think about the "ripple effect" each gun death brings.
VOX
Jan 2020
#150
Thanks for "listening." You summed it up well: we have whole town traumatized by gun
CTyankee
Jan 2020
#151
Autos aren't used in "the carnage"..Automatic weapons are very highly regulated.
AncientGeezer
Jan 2020
#148
It makes a huge difference....100 rds/minute compared to 600-900 rds/min
AncientGeezer
Jan 2020
#220
That freak in Vegas was using a bump stock..it's why they are illegal now.
AncientGeezer
Jan 2020
#216
Defensive gun uses like this help dispel the idea that concealed carriers are all wannabe Zimmermans
Jake Stern
Dec 2019
#4
That's silly...what if the dirtbag had been observed by unarmed observers...
AncientGeezer
Jan 2020
#117
He was also known to the church as an issue. Rather than waiting for him to shoot,
Hoyt
Jan 2020
#119
Keep tryin'....you'll lock a door and bean someone....Mr. Wilson is a hero.
AncientGeezer
Jan 2020
#133
Exactly as I said above...so? Also as I said above...you aren't good at this.
AncientGeezer
Jan 2020
#135
Keep running with that....Mr.Wilson is a National Hero...he's gaining Sully status
AncientGeezer
Jan 2020
#139
Actually, there is no federal law prohibiting carrying a gun in CVs. Some states might not
Hoyt
Jan 2020
#160
Nope. Should have grabbed him before he opened fire. Guy had caused problems before, wearing trench
Hoyt
Jan 2020
#204
Sorry, I disagree. If you are going to play "guard/security," be prepared to act when there
Hoyt
Jan 2020
#211
Didn't have to beat the crap out of him; but, if they had a few lives would have been saved.
Hoyt
Jan 2020
#213
I will definitely agree there were different options with the Travon Martin case. ...
spin
Jan 2020
#214
Gave you a link earlier. Guess you forgot it already. You NRA gunner hero should have acted sooner.
Hoyt
Jan 2020
#221
It's not "seems".....he absolutly hates us..infringes on his admitted past profession.
AncientGeezer
Jan 2020
#233
That hurt my heart to read....the post you replied to. I guess agenda trumps facts.
AncientGeezer
Jan 2020
#118
Still doesn't address the desperation of the right in trying to minimize the fact
Thomas Hurt
Dec 2019
#9
Mass shootings will be further normalized by a metric of "bystanders killed until GGWG kills BGWG."
VOX
Dec 2019
#10
The first guy killed was a good guy with gun that was in the process of drawing his pistol which
braddy
Dec 2019
#11
Guns always end or force the end of the mass murder, and this reaction looked just like my church
braddy
Dec 2019
#16
I have never heared anyone in the church brag about being armed, and I haven't noticed any women
braddy
Dec 2019
#24
Your conclusions are weird and appear hostile, I did try to answer you about my church but now you
braddy
Dec 2019
#31
I have never been to or heard of a church where "everyone is armed", that sounds mandatory.
braddy
Dec 2019
#75
You said no one bragged about it, so I wondered how you knew that "every man is armed."
cwydro
Dec 2019
#69
You said "brag", I said "almost" every man is armed, so far the minister doesn't carry although
braddy
Dec 2019
#74
And this will repeat itself over and over again where whole communities are forever
CTyankee
Jan 2020
#152
"The nutcase had an ILLEGAL gun, (sawed-off shotgun,) and was a felon to boot."
LaurenOlimina
Dec 2019
#15
Maybe republican Jesus would but not the Jesus in the Bible. The one who said, "thou shall not kill"
onecaliberal
Dec 2019
#23
The actual commandment is Thou shall not murder (unlawful killing) Peter carried a sword with Jesus.
braddy
Dec 2019
#26
It doesn't fit the narrative. I, for one, am happy that they took the shooter down.
Chemisse
Dec 2019
#67
we've been living this nightmare scenario for years, brought to you by the NRA and the GOP
Demonaut
Dec 2019
#35
Australia has had more mass shootings after their semi-auto ban than they did before it
Recursion
Dec 2019
#42
Again, since you are using that author's data and arrive at a different conclusion, you obviously
CTyankee
Jan 2020
#189
public parks? I have lots of them cavorting around my house. I know how cold the winter will be
CTyankee
Jan 2020
#208
The good guy with the gun did not stop the bad guy with a gun from killing people
uponit7771
Dec 2019
#50
+1. GRAs think if only 10 people are killed or shot & the bad guy with a gun is stopped after that
uponit7771
Dec 2019
#88
That's not the goal we were told by the NRA and GRAs. We were told the good guy with the gun can
uponit7771
Dec 2019
#87
I would bet the person in the killer's crosshairs the instant he was shot by the good guy with
mr_lebowski
Jan 2020
#129
I would agree, my issue isn't with them my issue is with the bunk assed meme of "good person
uponit7771
Jan 2020
#141
+1, the good guy with a gun did not stop the bad guy with a gun from killing people ...
uponit7771
Dec 2019
#96
Not as good of an outcome as keeping mass kill devices out of the hands of the GP and making it
uponit7771
Dec 2019
#90
+1, the good guy with a gun did not stop the bad guy with a gun from killing people
uponit7771
Dec 2019
#89
Not the goal, the goal of the good guy was to keep the bad guy from doing ANY damage not just
uponit7771
Dec 2019
#95
So all these decades later, gun people have their story that the right man had a gun.
Lexee
Dec 2019
#81
The good guy with the gun did not stop the bad guy with a gun from killing people, they have their
uponit7771
Dec 2019
#91
Oh wow, so a ... TRAINED ... good person with a gun couldn't stop the untrained bad person
uponit7771
Jan 2020
#145
+1, therefore eliminate easy access to all firearms and make the owning if them harder than owningt
uponit7771
Jan 2020
#175
That's the way I see it. They should have grabbed this guy with a history of anger at the church,
Hoyt
Jan 2020
#146
+1, the goal post have been moved to the good person with a gun will stop the bad person after
uponit7771
Jan 2020
#144
... while watching people getting killed and responding after they're dead? tia
uponit7771
Jan 2020
#142
The TX laws are being praised for "working" and keeping it from "being worse." Uh...
Beartracks
Jan 2020
#154
+1, yep the goal post has been moved from stopping BGWG to "not a lot of dead people"
uponit7771
Jan 2020
#173
Why don't you ask the families how they feel about the armed parishioner taking down the shooter?
Jake Stern
Jan 2020
#215
This perp had a sawed-off shotgun right? How many times could it be fired before it was empty?
RockRaven
Jan 2020
#162
You are not reading my post correctly then. I am asking for information which will clarify whether
RockRaven
Jan 2020
#168
You asked an interesting question and it greatly depends on what type of shotgun it is.
Kaleva
Jan 2020
#170
If no one had a gun, no one would have died. I don't want to live in a war zone.
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#217
Bull shit...time to stop allowing people to be gunned down in theaters, churches...stores...the
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#227
And more likely would have been killed.. had it not been for Mr. Wilson.
AncientGeezer
Jan 2020
#232