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ancianita

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45. There are. Given our past, this is an optimistic analysis, thanks.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:47 AM
Feb 2020

You're calm, optimistic and yet, on balance, so much objective evidence gives your claim 50-50 odds, maybe worse.

It's important to think on recent history as an objective indicator of what to expect.

Overall, 45's rule of law insurgency should show us that any normal systems we've had in place are vulnerable to breakdown.

Rule of law stands as unenforceable. The door is now wide open at state levels for unregulated election approaches. Besides pre-November mass buying of hackable vote machinery, servers and all, there are increasing vote count "irregularities" to be expected.

So I have "probability" questions.

Didn't 45 cause the longest shut down of govt over a wall last year?

How much more important would be the GE results IF45 wants?
How could he get them?
Who has plans to stop him?

From October to December, how many states' votes could sit uncounted after a "surprise" or multiple "irregularities"?

How probable could be a "national emergency" order over one or two state server hacks in each of the country's 5 regions?

Who will oversee counts? Clean up irregularities? Enforce states' election law? Did anyone do that in Georgia?
Worst case scenario, who stops any orders to national guards to threaten protestors, kettle, tear gas, cart them off to jail, or worse?

Will IF45, who's called House leaders nasty and evil, double down on media as The Enemy?

Even with Limbaugh gone, what's the probability that media and radio will rev up old drum beats on old hates, hoaxes and enemies script; throw in election treason, traitors and 2A remedies against them; throw in lingo to incite mass shootings (that dips during his 2020 rally season, but did increase in the two years after his taking possession of the WH).

Does hollering national media matter to this regime anymore?

Would our party's leaders have action -- real action -- plans for these contingencies?

Given the stakes for IF45 upon leaving office (state/federal indictments, tax returns, loss of emoluments, declassifying, opening up secret servers...);
given his do or die motivation to win at any cost, what would happen to the many elections?

I hope you're right. Still. 45's regime also has time.

Given the likelihood of a repeat of the above, would many elections' results hold the country together?

I can't help thinking that even if our thousand cuts hit media, there's no doubt IF45's all-out political war will be even louder.

His regime could cost us many elections.





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im just keeping my fingers crossed that a few of the gop senators will switch allegiances to.. samnsara Feb 2020 #1
I can't believe they will. They know the deal. How could they benefit from the Constitution's deal. ancianita Feb 2020 #2
Hopefully pandr32 Feb 2020 #27
It Can't Happen Here dweller Feb 2020 #3
Now what. Will We The People act? Or will We The People get used to it? ancianita Feb 2020 #4
"An unenforced Constitution is no constitution at all." brush Feb 2020 #5
No. It no longer exists. Whether that's temporary or permanent depends on what we DO about it. ancianita Feb 2020 #9
I hesitated to say it. you did and unfortunately you could be right. brush Feb 2020 #13
So I'm right. I still have to ask you and myself, now what? What do we both do about it? ancianita Feb 2020 #15
Yes, fuck all the noise. I donate regularly and will caucus (ugh) for Biden in NV. brush Feb 2020 #17
THAT's what I'm talkin' 'bout! It'll be a hard heave, but people of Romania, Chile and other ancianita Feb 2020 #18
Democracy's last chance in America is in November... N_E_1 for Tennis Feb 2020 #6
Nope. It's to be expected and dealt with. I see Klobuchar as the best force to deal with it all. She ancianita Feb 2020 #10
Bannon and Trump/Russia had plans to "burn it all down" ie: the US CousinIT Feb 2020 #7
Okay, so you're counting yourself out on the "doing" end of "now what"? Because it's "too late"? ancianita Feb 2020 #11
Amen to that Cuz DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #23
Yes, Bannon ran roughshod over Maher Martin Eden Feb 2020 #8
Maher gave him a platform so WE could see who we're up against. Know your enemy. Let him speak. ancianita Feb 2020 #12
Bannon did the classic gish-gallop stunt: thumping Maher's head with so much shit so quickly... VOX Feb 2020 #60
Well put Martin Eden Feb 2020 #61
Great post, ancianita! Ironically, it may be climate change that saves US if it gets out the vote. JudyM Feb 2020 #14
Good point. Climate change don't care. Stopping it will save us. Climate change itself will not. ancianita Feb 2020 #16
+1 CrispyQ Feb 2020 #19
Totally, absolutely agree with your well supported argument for shifting with the opposition, and ancianita Feb 2020 #59
Great post. It appears that we're still in the stage of impotent outrage. How and when we move to jalan48 Feb 2020 #20
Does it help to ask cilla4progress Feb 2020 #21
Thanks for your question. I might as well own up to my 'undecided' status. ancianita Feb 2020 #25
Cool! cilla4progress Feb 2020 #26
Warren is my choice I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2020 #43
Oh, and my primary motto on social media: ancianita Feb 2020 #28
Cool. cilla4progress Feb 2020 #31
Thank you, cilla. ancianita Feb 2020 #35
I think many have been asking themselves this very question. What will they do next? 58Sunliner Feb 2020 #22
What was he wearing? n/t EndlessWire Feb 2020 #30
Some grubby shit. ancianita Feb 2020 #36
Thank you. n/t EndlessWire Feb 2020 #51
Well for once he looked like he had a bath and someone ironed his shirt. 58Sunliner Feb 2020 #37
I always thought he looked like EndlessWire Feb 2020 #52
Imagine if you had smell-a-vision, or scratch and sniff. Ewww. 58Sunliner Feb 2020 #65
The Constitution becomes an ancient parchment of kairos12 Feb 2020 #24
Thank you for the appearance summary. EndlessWire Feb 2020 #29
Great post, and cilla4progress Feb 2020 #32
They cheated in 2000, remember? Appointed John The Pirate Roberts to SCOTUS. ancianita Feb 2020 #34
Well, I had more in mind EndlessWire Feb 2020 #54
I hear you. For the record, Obama said he'd definitely be stumping for the nominee in the GE, ancianita Feb 2020 #56
He's a classy guy. EndlessWire Feb 2020 #57
VERY true! You've sold me. He really should do that at this point! All hands on deck. ancianita Feb 2020 #58
I'm going to post this to the Obama Coalition that posts on my FB newsfeed, first thing. ancianita Feb 2020 #64
It's all I could think to do after the last few days. ancianita Feb 2020 #33
I think that EndlessWire Feb 2020 #55
History tells us that it doesn't always end well for despots eleny Feb 2020 #38
I've never given in to misused authority lunatica Feb 2020 #39
Thank you, lunatica! The more ideas on what to do, the more will be done to end this regime. ancianita Feb 2020 #40
The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed struggle4progress Feb 2020 #41
Steve Biko would know. I've read him. One of the world's greatest of resisters. ancianita Feb 2020 #42
there are many elections ... Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #44
There are. Given our past, this is an optimistic analysis, thanks. ancianita Feb 2020 #45
In my town EndlessWire Feb 2020 #62
This needs to be a warning OP in the Democratic Primaries threads. This is insidious and we Dems ancianita Feb 2020 #63
I hear what you're saying and I'm not going to accuse you of trolling or anything malevolent Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2020 #46
I'm not demoralized. I'm realistic & people call it demoralization. But it's not. It's preparation. ancianita Feb 2020 #48
I share your concern, I really do. Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2020 #50
Why wait until November 2020 to answer "now what" and "will we get used to it"? WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2020 #47
Right. That's why we start now and keep it in mind past Nov 3. ancianita Feb 2020 #49
Fabulous thread, all! cilla4progress Feb 2020 #53
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