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elias7

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Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:56 PM Mar 2020

As an Emergency physician... [View all]

I will say that unless we can develop immediate rapid in-house testing similar to rapid strep or influenza testing, there is no hope to contain the spread of COVID-19. Current guidelines for testing are unacceptable. With active community spread of this virus and most people having mild symptoms, it is unconscionable to reserve testing for those being very ill without alternative explanation, those being able to prove close contact with an infected person or those with travel to a level 3 affected country. So many people will fly under the radar that this policy has no hope of containing spread.

I cannot fathom the stinginess of policy that forces such a huge hurdle to testing, and even then, the test has to go to the state labs and take days to result. For the tested patient, such a delay will likely cause spread to multiple people wherever that person goes until they are informed they should self-quarantine. For the mildly ill patient who does not meet criteria, if infected, they will infect dozens of people in the community for weeks. This policy is insane and is virtually guaranteeing spread of the virus.

That this is politically driven is an American tragedy and we are witnessing in real time what will be a devastating pandemic. Our healthcare system will be overwhelmed in due course by this outbreak. Local hospitals in affected communities will find themselves short of resources, equipment and personnel. Healthcare workers will not only not be able to handle the influx of ill patients, especially in communities heavy with nursing homes and the elderly - running short of ventilators and ICU beds, etc., but also will face getting infected on a daily basis, literally risking their lives while having their hands tied diagnostically.

I am 58 years old and anticipate weeks to months of being exposed to a symptomatic and mildly symptomatic patients for whom I will unlikely be wearing PPE (personal protective equipment), as well as being exposed to moderately and critically ill patients while facing the reality that many docs an nurses are getting infected despite appropriate use of precautions. i feel certain I will get this virus, in large part due to our inability to appropriately test anyone with respiratory symptoms as we do with influenza. We appear to be dealing with something that is spread by droplet, contact and maybe even airborne spread. I’ve never seen anything like this. Mortality of influenza is 0.1%, mortality of COVID-19 is 20 to 35 times that.

I hope I live.

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As an Emergency physician... [View all] elias7 Mar 2020 OP
Us Too.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2020 #1
Stay safe elias7 Mar 2020 #12
Thank you for your candor. Haggis for Breakfast Mar 2020 #77
S'mae Haggis geardaddy Mar 2020 #108
Thanks! LovingA2andMI Mar 2020 #94
This yet another and deadly disease that doctors and all medical personal face everyday. olegramps Mar 2020 #100
I feel the same certainty that I will probably get it htuttle Mar 2020 #2
I'm in the age group where lethality is a good possibility unless you are lucky enough to be in yaesu Mar 2020 #17
I think you've got a good handle on it. oldsoftie Mar 2020 #46
((elias7)) blm Mar 2020 #3
Thank you 🙏 elias7 Mar 2020 #11
And yet you still serve. Thank you. Quick question OhNo-Really Mar 2020 #64
I hope you will be OK. You are on the front lines of this massive dewsgirl Mar 2020 #4
This is the one, folks. defacto7 Mar 2020 #5
We abused her and she is finally fighting back. alittlelark Mar 2020 #44
Yup, you can't fuck with mother nature... she just does not care... mitch96 Mar 2020 #48
Keep trying to explain that to people Rural_Progressive Mar 2020 #69
Electricity is technically not 'power'. Rather, it's a form of energy ... just sayin' ;) mr_lebowski Mar 2020 #78
Technically, electrical power is power, measured in Watts. lagomorph777 Mar 2020 #105
Yes, but it's measured as power at the point at which work is done ... mr_lebowski Mar 2020 #107
I don't even know what to say, wish I could say you're wrong. Claritie Pixie Mar 2020 #6
I'm convinced this is on purpose. You're right waiting till someone has symptoms is too late. uponit7771 Mar 2020 #7
You betcha. They want people to die.Who? The elderly on Medicare? 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #34
Finally reducing social Security & Medicare Clever OhNo-Really Mar 2020 #67
Yes, let's pay them to kill us. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #89
Let's just say they won't mind. Captain Zero Mar 2020 #85
That is EXACTLY what I've been thinking. Young people aren't dying. BComplex Mar 2020 #96
Please be careful. hamsterjill Mar 2020 #8
☺️ thank you elias7 Mar 2020 #110
I can't imagine people with the... stillcool Mar 2020 #9
Thank heavens for our dedicated medical personnel! Please stay safe. Lonestarblue Mar 2020 #10
Many researchers have tried - but it takes $$$$ alittlelark Mar 2020 #47
Here too elias7. The lack of any meaningful preparation is stupefying AllyCat Mar 2020 #13
You are a hero...thank you for your service to your fellow citizens KSNY Mar 2020 #14
I salute you, my friend. Fight the good fight. Alhena Mar 2020 #15
ER Doc DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #16
Both of My Kids are ER Physicians OhioChick Mar 2020 #18
My heart is with them elias7 Mar 2020 #32
Love and gratitude to you and your sisters and brothers caring mahina Mar 2020 #60
I've been sitting here staring at my screen OhioChick Mar 2020 #81
I am a Registered Nurse a LTC facility for disabled Vets. I'm duly screwed, I think. Maru Kitteh Mar 2020 #19
I'm watching the virus creep MontanaMama Mar 2020 #82
As of Friday we've only tested a grand total of 5 people in the whole state. Maru Kitteh Mar 2020 #86
Will do. MontanaMama Mar 2020 #102
Thank you for the candid straight assessment bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #20
I can't fathom the reason for the testing shortfall elias7 Mar 2020 #40
Thanks for expertise and taking time and best to you! /nt bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #45
I'm presuming customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #84
Mortality Rate mchill Mar 2020 #21
We don't test because we don't have the kits Boomer Mar 2020 #22
Not everyone will buy the test kit at140 Mar 2020 #41
https://youtu.be/4InhmRCIpow mchill Mar 2020 #23
I watch Peak Prosperity, sometimes it scares the hell out of dewsgirl Mar 2020 #101
I posted about wearing protective gloves to the grocery store and doctor's office and was ridiculed. trof Mar 2020 #24
Do what you need to do! My older daughter is quadriplegic, and survived lymphoma with a tumor deurbano Mar 2020 #29
I've been wearing gloves for weeks now. mchill Mar 2020 #31
I've been carrying antiseptic wipes and putting them between my hand and the rail on stairs. dawg day Mar 2020 #35
Very good point, thanks for raising it bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #36
Wear a mask too! Don't believe the bs about you don't need one, or it won't do you any good. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #49
Unfortunately, I don't have a mask. I have cancer and moonscape Mar 2020 #72
I've tried buying a Vog-no luck, so I will make my own version. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #90
How will you make your own? Maybe I could make one that would fit better! :) n/t moonscape Mar 2020 #91
Using carbon cloth, microfiber, elastic, or spandex, and an N95 mask with valve. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #92
Keep your self safe to the best of your ability and don't worry about the nay sayers... nt mitch96 Mar 2020 #51
I think you are doing the right thing, trof Hekate Mar 2020 #52
pay no attention to idiots, trof Skittles Mar 2020 #56
I don't know why you were ridiculed, especially here. liberalmuse Mar 2020 #68
Sorry trof that some DUer's gave you a hard time. You need to do what you need to do. Fla Dem Mar 2020 #99
This is absolutely correct. BSdetect Mar 2020 #25
Agreed in toto PCIntern Mar 2020 #26
I must see an endodontist this week mchill Mar 2020 #30
I just had a crown put in, and they were taking the usual precautions. dawg day Mar 2020 #38
But were they using PPE when working in your mouth? mchill Mar 2020 #42
Right now you're as safe at a competent dentist's office as you are anywhere. PCIntern Mar 2020 #61
I started prepping for this in early Feb mchill Mar 2020 #79
Actually I saw something online about zinc interfering with the replication process of a virus. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #87
My daughter's high school (w/2500 kids in San Francisco) was closed on Thursday afternoon deurbano Mar 2020 #27
Ted Cruz self-quarantined. (Ugh.) dawg day Mar 2020 #28
Yup, me too. I hope people start taking precautions and shows down the rate uppityperson Mar 2020 #33
My son is also an ER physician. I am terrified for him and his wife. She is an emergency Tess49 Mar 2020 #37
Question.. If the patient presents with flu like symptoms... and is tested for the flu and is neg. mitch96 Mar 2020 #39
Our ED is using a decision tree to decide who to test ismnotwasm Mar 2020 #43
It is really going to slam ERs. Warpy Mar 2020 #50
I'm in the high risk age group jmbar2 Mar 2020 #53
Insane indeed. Almost designed to fail. Evolve Dammit Mar 2020 #54
Agreed. We are utterly unprepared and losing time. yewberry Mar 2020 #55
They gave us all laptops on Friday. liberalmuse Mar 2020 #73
I have this horrible suspicion that they are purposely limiting testing to limit "the numbers." SunSeeker Mar 2020 #57
(((All of you medical people, thank you and God speed))). Question about cleaning masks... Hekate Mar 2020 #58
Thank you for being open and honest about this issue. We needed to hear this. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2020 #59
Everyone, as much as possible, should be tested. panader0 Mar 2020 #62
Thank you. We're grateful to you and your work. Joinfortmill Mar 2020 #63
all I can say as I witness this thing unfold is that we as humans simply are incapable of learning NRaleighLiberal Mar 2020 #65
Thank you. mzmolly Mar 2020 #66
Take care of you UpInArms Mar 2020 #70
Hugs to you elias7. Sent up some good karma to aks for strength and safety to you. nt iluvtennis Mar 2020 #71
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2020 #74
The Gates Foundation is funding the development of a home test for the virus, tblue37 Mar 2020 #75
"...stinginess..." Turbineguy Mar 2020 #76
Thank you! MFM008 Mar 2020 #80
Kick burrowowl Mar 2020 #83
Kick dalton99a Mar 2020 #88
Protect yourself should be rule #1 Botany Mar 2020 #93
The good news is that MANY more BlueMTexpat Mar 2020 #95
(((Hugs)) thank you for helping people Sea Turtle Mar 2020 #97
Reading this whole thread - God Bless you and all our medical professionals. calimary Mar 2020 #98
We all need to give an extra boost to our immune system now ... Maribelle Mar 2020 #103
OMG My heart breaks for the kind and self sacrificing folks in healthcare roles librechik Mar 2020 #104
My wife is a medical professional and this is going to be a horror when it rips through... hunter Mar 2020 #106
My sister is a Doctor sellitman Mar 2020 #109
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