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Drunken Irishman

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60. Trump is a moron. He lucked out in 2016 and is convinced he can play by the same rules.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 04:08 PM
Mar 2020

I am not saying it can't work again - but it's clear he's running the same playbook that got him into office. The problem is that the entirety of his 2016 playbook was sheer luck. It was the perfect storm. And even then, he barely won.

The problem Trump faces going into the heart of 2020 is that what got him into the White House in 2016 isn't going to keep him in the White House. Think about Obama in 2008 compared to Obama in 2012. Obama had to radically adjust his message because he wasn't running as an outsider anymore promising change. Obama was the status quo in 2012 and he had to sell the idea that the status quo was better than the alternative (as opposed to 2008 when the alternative was the status quo). So, he successfully adjusted his message and won a second term because of it.

Trump's not an outsider anymore. He's now the status quo of American politics. For a huge chunk of this country, the alternative to that is likely more appealing than his outsider image was to the status quo in 2016. I remember a lot of indifferent voters who thought Trump would mellow once he got into office. But now we're seeing the reality and that reality is devastating.

Sure, there are voters who voted for Trump because they knew they'd get what we have right now. But they don't count. Those voters are going to stay with him no matter what. He could get on TV and say, "I really don't care if the old people die..." and his loyal base would eat it up as him being real and telling it like it is.

But there is, believe it or not, a sliver of Trump voters, probably the total margin Hillary lost Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan in 2016, who wanted change (likely why they voted Obama in 2008) and because of that, reluctantly supported Trump on the hope he could change things up but that he'd likely tone down his rhetoric. I worked with one of these women. I remember having a discussion before the election how I'm embarrassed about the possibility of his tweets as president and her exact response to me was that he wouldn't tweet like that when president. I haven't followed up with her to see if she's still a Trump supporter but I believe there was this idea that he'd be humbled by the office.

Well now we know that isn't the case. The big difference Trump is facing in 2020 that he didn't face in 2016 is that he's NOW president. There's no hypothetical of what he'd do as president. We're seeing it. This can be both a blessing and a curse for incumbents. For Trump, it's proving a bit of a curse.

His problem is that he has never adjusted that playbook because he's under the impression that since it won him the White House in 2016, it'll win him reelection in 2020.

But the polls are showing something completely different. It also doesn't account for a good amount of sideline voters, those who sat out 2016, deciding to throw their support to, say, Biden, because they've seen firsthand how not voting has damaged the country. Again, those voters likely thought Trump wouldn't be as bad as people thought, or said, he could be. But now that isn't an argument. He's been bad.

So, Trump goes off on the Michigan governor knowing his BASE will love it.

But Michigan was never Trump's base. He won the state by a paltry 11,000 or so votes. Most of those 11,000+ votes are not Trump's base. His thinking that is dangerous for his reelection campaign.

But he's too stupid to realize it because he can't fathom that changing. He's the type of person who will drive drunk, not get pulled over, and conclude he can continue driving drunk because, well, he hasn't crashed or gotten a DUI yet! But then the luck runs out and he forgets to stop all the way at the stop sign, gets pulled over and gets a DUI.

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K and R Stuart G Mar 2020 #1
I understand CA, but Michigan voted for him and he needs it to win again AlexSFCA Mar 2020 #2
But, he doesn't like "that woman" in Michigan. MineralMan Mar 2020 #4
you're right, he wants the state to turn against her AlexSFCA Mar 2020 #7
That's criminal. Not surprising, but criminal, nevertheless. MineralMan Mar 2020 #11
He and the republicans have been DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #79
That explanation does seem to cover most of his behavior, ramen Mar 2020 #43
He is unlikely to win Michigan again. Lonestarblue Mar 2020 #53
He delights in others pain! luvallpeeps Mar 2020 #56
I've always insisted... GetRidOfThem Mar 2020 #65
He seems to be getting his jollies from having a life /or death control over other humans. Alwaysna Mar 2020 #71
Absolutely a sadist. One of those people who's always punching down, too, SuprstitionAintthWay Mar 2020 #75
Cuomo has a toughness and gravitas those gov's lack. radius777 Mar 2020 #80
Somenody needs to tell the idiot supporters about the husband wife weho DIED from taking that napi21 Mar 2020 #77
You got that wrong.... magicarpet Mar 2020 #92
Trump's goal is to have the people turn on their governors and not him. Drunken Irishman Mar 2020 #15
He did pretty much give away his tactic the other day when he announced that those who are Grammy23 Mar 2020 #55
Trump is a moron. He lucked out in 2016 and is convinced he can play by the same rules. Drunken Irishman Mar 2020 #60
Oh, he is much worse than a moron. He is a ruthless mobster. TryLogic Mar 2020 #70
Thanks for that, DI.. the trumpVirus is a Cha Mar 2020 #84
Agree! luvallpeeps Mar 2020 #58
After he won Michigan, an analysis said that lots of Arab-Americans voted for him Blue_true Mar 2020 #69
Yes, they live in Dearborn so I'm told. Cha Mar 2020 #85
A wave came to the area after the first Iraq war. Blue_true Mar 2020 #93
Oh I'm trying.. U2! Cha Mar 2020 #95
I read a tweet.. he " loves Michigan but not Cha Mar 2020 #83
There are quite a few... N_E_1 for Tennis Mar 2020 #87
Wow! Good to know! I guess FUBARING a silent deadly Cha Mar 2020 #88
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #3
Well said. Now the media needs to step up. Governors I suspect will do so too, but perhaps ... SWBTATTReg Mar 2020 #5
Both should start speaking up right away. MineralMan Mar 2020 #19
It is truly evil what he is doing. smirkymonkey Mar 2020 #25
It needs to be headline news. MineralMan Mar 2020 #27
Are we really just waiting for D.C. to collectively snap? Brainfodder Mar 2020 #6
As individuals, there is very little we can do, actually. MineralMan Mar 2020 #9
Nah, the pissed off in large #'s can do amazing things. Brainfodder Mar 2020 #12
Hate to be a Debby Downer, but the investigate/prosecute/penalize ship has sailed. Girard442 Mar 2020 #8
Not prosecute. That ship has sailed. MineralMan Mar 2020 #10
Disagree Nululu Mar 2020 #67
I find it hard to believe. Turbineguy Mar 2020 #13
He is out of his mind, but he is smart enough to use extortion MineralMan Mar 2020 #14
And remember him insinuating he could send ventilators to Boris Johnson? calimary Mar 2020 #37
He is capable of anything. Anything. MineralMan Mar 2020 #38
He always talks in innuendo and uncertainty. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2020 #94
Trump is a one trick pony. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2020 #16
True. That is how he has lived his life. MineralMan Mar 2020 #17
I don't think he can change. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2020 #18
I agree. He won't change, but we should know what he's doing - Exactly. MineralMan Mar 2020 #20
Appears? gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #21
Yes. We need published evidence of what he's doing. MineralMan Mar 2020 #23
He sent broken ventilators to California. gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #22
Yes. I mentioned that in the OP. MineralMan Mar 2020 #24
And incomplete test kits. C Moon Mar 2020 #41
Equal Protection, anyone? /nt dickthegrouch Mar 2020 #26
Yes, that's part of it. MineralMan Mar 2020 #30
Not just the press. barbtries Mar 2020 #28
he got away with murdering people in Puerto Rico. I see this as the same. mucifer Mar 2020 #29
Good analogy. MineralMan Mar 2020 #31
Could this be why experts are "kissing ass" bubbazero Mar 2020 #40
I would like to see more follow up questions.. busterbrown Mar 2020 #63
Reporters Need to Be Wlling McKim Mar 2020 #66
The trump 'vicious game' may not be geared to a voter or electoral majority! empedocles Mar 2020 #32
I think the COVID-19 pandemic is too much for even Trump to manipulate. MineralMan Mar 2020 #33
It is my hope, that as CV 19 becomes still deadlier for weeks to come, and stock markets empedocles Mar 2020 #39
It is not just him. Scarsdale Mar 2020 #47
Can get a lot worst. Voters tend to rally around the President in crisis. empedocles Mar 2020 #64
Trump said it himself, he wouldn't even call some Governors on the phone let alone send life Pepsidog Mar 2020 #34
It's racketeering. So it lends itself to keeping double books; thus, hard to investigate. ancianita Mar 2020 #35
I would not focus on Trump over this rather I would hammer the Republicans in the House and Senate cstanleytech Mar 2020 #36
We need to demand that our media wnylib Mar 2020 #42
DU lawyers: would this violate the Equal Protection clause? Nt spooky3 Mar 2020 #44
Exactly, right on! MM DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #45
He doesn't need gas chambers. Such an EVIL person. slumcamper Mar 2020 #46
"For example, sending defective ventilators to California, instead of functional ones." mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2020 #48
Here: MineralMan Mar 2020 #50
Thanks. I'm not sure what that means. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2020 #52
It means they didn't work. MineralMan Mar 2020 #54
California received defective test kits with missing vital parts; Governor Gavin Newsom complained NBachers Mar 2020 #59
So it's both ventilators and test kits? NT mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2020 #61
Yes he is - dangerous, vindictive, sociopathic. PatrickforO Mar 2020 #49
This is all hands on deck bdamomma Mar 2020 #51
I live in fear that the November election will not take place Cozmo Mar 2020 #57
K&R... spanone Mar 2020 #62
If true, It is a form of genocide njhoneybadger Mar 2020 #68
The Senate gave him license to abuse his power any way he wants William Seger Mar 2020 #72
The man is a murderer... Hekate Mar 2020 #73
Spot on. warmfeet Mar 2020 #74
He's kind of screwing with DeWine, in Ohio, too. Philostopher Mar 2020 #76
You'd think he was TRYING to lose in November. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2020 #78
there is a method to his madness, he is using non-linear warfare, reflexive control models Celerity Mar 2020 #82
Don't forget all the Russians he moneylaundered for living in Florida... IthinkThereforeIAM Mar 2020 #81
... No one knows what it's like to be hated, to be fated to telling only lies ... struggle4progress Mar 2020 #86
K&R. dchill Mar 2020 #89
And where is fucking BARR on this?????!!????!!? secondwind Mar 2020 #90
Barr has become little more than Trump's Legal Toadie. MineralMan Mar 2020 #91
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