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In reply to the discussion: Hey! Our side wins one for once. Check it out: [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)23. I don't think he is.
Federal Judge Blocks Indefinite Detention Provisions Of NDAA
A federal judge in Manhattan has blocked enforcement of provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which allow the government to place individuals they claim supported al Qaeda, the Taliban or associated forces in indefinite military detention.
Before anyone should be subjected to the possibility ofindefinite military detention, the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment requires that individuals be able to understandwhat conduct might cause him or her to run afoul of [the law], wrote District Judge Katherine Forrest. Unfortunately, there are a number of terms that are sufficientlyvague that no ordinary citizen can reliably define such conduct.
Forrest ruled that Congress can add definitional language to the statute and resolve the issues the plaintiffs have raised and resolve the issues with the statute and proceed with enforcement activities it deems fit. But for now, there are a variety of other statutes which can be utilized to detain those engaged in various levels of support of terrorists, so enjoining enforcement of the provisions does not divest the Government of its many other tools.
President Barack Obama signed the law in December despite his objections to the military detention provisions of the statute. The administration later issued guidelines in February which essentially made it nearly impossible for a terrorism suspect to end up in the hands of the military.
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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/federal-judge-blocks-indefinite-detention-provisions-of-ndaa
A federal judge in Manhattan has blocked enforcement of provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which allow the government to place individuals they claim supported al Qaeda, the Taliban or associated forces in indefinite military detention.
Before anyone should be subjected to the possibility ofindefinite military detention, the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment requires that individuals be able to understandwhat conduct might cause him or her to run afoul of [the law], wrote District Judge Katherine Forrest. Unfortunately, there are a number of terms that are sufficientlyvague that no ordinary citizen can reliably define such conduct.
Forrest ruled that Congress can add definitional language to the statute and resolve the issues the plaintiffs have raised and resolve the issues with the statute and proceed with enforcement activities it deems fit. But for now, there are a variety of other statutes which can be utilized to detain those engaged in various levels of support of terrorists, so enjoining enforcement of the provisions does not divest the Government of its many other tools.
President Barack Obama signed the law in December despite his objections to the military detention provisions of the statute. The administration later issued guidelines in February which essentially made it nearly impossible for a terrorism suspect to end up in the hands of the military.
- more -
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/federal-judge-blocks-indefinite-detention-provisions-of-ndaa
We've seen how the government can pursue cases (see DOMA) on technicalities when the administration's position is clear. The President does not support the provision.
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Thanks for that. Reminds me of all the Asian cover bands that toured Nam "back in the day."
TahitiNut
Sep 2012
#64
Yikes, after 2 min of that I started spilling state secrets.Fortunately my cat wasnt taking notes.nm
rhett o rick
Sep 2012
#65
Sorry for the unintentional oversight. I don't know enough about this case as I should.
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2012
#67
The judges opinion was wonderful to read. Someone who actually believes in not giving up
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#6
"Our members urge Obama to stop defending this obscene abuse of executive authority,
woo me with science
Sep 2012
#16
You've got to check out THE CONSPIRATOR (Redford) Special Features interview with Senator Levin.
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2012
#66
Maybe that's thebest way to create 'settled law' assuming everyone does their part including public.
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2012
#76
Not if Obama has his way. He's already appealing this judge's "permanent" injunction
99th_Monkey
Sep 2012
#52
Which side is that? Most actual conservatives didn't like it either and are cheering this ruling.
pediatricmedic
Sep 2012
#41
One Judge. Sadly, Obama is appealing this judge's permanent injunction ruling
99th_Monkey
Sep 2012
#50
The idea that the President has the constitutional right to ignore federal statutes
Vattel
Sep 2012
#74
The author of the article explains it, but does not provide any footnotes denoting the
Zorra
Sep 2012
#71