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In reply to the discussion: PA just announced another change for getting a Voter ID [View all]BumRushDaShow
(131,782 posts)45. Are you a PA resident?
The problem being that many current residents born in other states could be disenfranchised here due to lack of proof of birth.
Coming to the U.S. through Ellis Island BY CHOICE is not the same as coming to the U.S. in the hold of a ship and then being sold and bred like chattel over many generations, and then finally released "into the wild".
And based on the requirements here in PA just for getting a driver's license -
Acceptable proof of identity includes:
Birth certificate with raised seal (U.S. issued by an authorized government agency, including U.S. Territories or Puerto Rico. Non-U.S. birth certificates will not be accepted.) Please note effective 10/31/10 PennDOT no longer accepts Puerto Rico birth certificates issued before July1, 2010.
certificate of U.S. citizenship (BCIS/INS Form N-560)
certificate of naturalization (BCIS/INS Form N-550 or N-570)
valid u.S. Passport
From here- http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms/pub_223/section_1.pdf
Birth certificate with raised seal (U.S. issued by an authorized government agency, including U.S. Territories or Puerto Rico. Non-U.S. birth certificates will not be accepted.) Please note effective 10/31/10 PennDOT no longer accepts Puerto Rico birth certificates issued before July1, 2010.
certificate of U.S. citizenship (BCIS/INS Form N-560)
certificate of naturalization (BCIS/INS Form N-550 or N-570)
valid u.S. Passport
From here- http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms/pub_223/section_1.pdf
this means that your having had a birth certificate "destroyed" would have been irrelevant because it wouldn't have been accepted here in PA anyway. And people born here in the U.S. wouldn't have a "certificate of U.S. citizenship" nor would they have a "certificate of naturalization" because being born in the U.S. = "citizen of U.S.". There is no "Commie" or "Socialist" or "Nazi" or "Marxist" "National ID Card" here.
From the turn of the century through WW2, the city of Philadelphia's black population quadrupled. Many came here from rural areas, were born on farms and/or at home, and fled up north to escape lynchings, bombings, and murders by the same types of foaming-at-the-mouth racists that still litter the country today.
In this urban area, many use public transit and may have had no money for, need for, or desire for a car, so they have no driver's license. And the insurance for a car is outrageous, so many cannot afford to drive here in the city anyway. When they moved here, they may have stayed with a friend or family member, or in a rooming house (paying cash for the room), they then established residency at that initial dwelling, eventually got a job and their own residence, and gradually built up a history here in PA - paying rent or a mortgage, utilities and various income or property taxes, etc.
Now they have suddenly become non-entities.
The fact that the U.S. Constitution has 4 Amendments dedicated solely to voting should be a clue as to where a problem exists in this country and it seems the franchise is the last bastion for the descendants of the wealthy, white, land-owners to maintain a grip on power.
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Supreme Ct "Justice" Scalia was even nuttier - upholding Arizona immig law on old Southern race law
progree
Sep 2012
#11
It is really screwed up here. Little things like having your middle name on your driver's license,
AlinPA
Sep 2012
#3
The term in the bill is "substantially conform". However, "substantially conform" is not defined in
AlinPA
Sep 2012
#12
Then that's when we need all those "boots on the ground" - it's clear that when activists started
calimary
Sep 2012
#23
Puerto Ricans could not get their birth certificates because the data was compromised
Kolesar
Sep 2012
#7
If we imprisoned all the Republicans who deserve it, we'd level that playing field.
WinkyDink
Sep 2012
#14
It doesn't seem like you want to discuss why you support voter restrictions that harm minorities
CreekDog
Sep 2012
#53
The real problem is that PennDot already informed the legislature that they will not be able
Ikonoklast
Sep 2012
#21