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BumRushDaShow

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45. Are you a PA resident?
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 07:13 AM
Sep 2012

The problem being that many current residents born in other states could be disenfranchised here due to lack of proof of birth.

Coming to the U.S. through Ellis Island BY CHOICE is not the same as coming to the U.S. in the hold of a ship and then being sold and bred like chattel over many generations, and then finally released "into the wild".

And based on the requirements here in PA just for getting a driver's license -

Acceptable proof of identity includes:
• Birth certificate with raised seal (U.S. issued by an authorized government agency, including U.S. Territories or Puerto Rico. Non-U.S. birth certificates will not be accepted.) Please note effective 10/31/10 PennDOT no longer accepts Puerto Rico birth certificates issued before July1, 2010.
• certificate of U.S. citizenship (BCIS/INS Form N-560)
• certificate of naturalization (BCIS/INS Form N-550 or N-570)
• valid u.S. Passport

From here- http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms/pub_223/section_1.pdf


this means that your having had a birth certificate "destroyed" would have been irrelevant because it wouldn't have been accepted here in PA anyway. And people born here in the U.S. wouldn't have a "certificate of U.S. citizenship" nor would they have a "certificate of naturalization" because being born in the U.S. = "citizen of U.S.". There is no "Commie" or "Socialist" or "Nazi" or "Marxist" "National ID Card" here.

From the turn of the century through WW2, the city of Philadelphia's black population quadrupled. Many came here from rural areas, were born on farms and/or at home, and fled up north to escape lynchings, bombings, and murders by the same types of foaming-at-the-mouth racists that still litter the country today.

In this urban area, many use public transit and may have had no money for, need for, or desire for a car, so they have no driver's license. And the insurance for a car is outrageous, so many cannot afford to drive here in the city anyway. When they moved here, they may have stayed with a friend or family member, or in a rooming house (paying cash for the room), they then established residency at that initial dwelling, eventually got a job and their own residence, and gradually built up a history here in PA - paying rent or a mortgage, utilities and various income or property taxes, etc.

Now they have suddenly become non-entities.

The fact that the U.S. Constitution has 4 Amendments dedicated solely to voting should be a clue as to where a problem exists in this country and it seems the franchise is the last bastion for the descendants of the wealthy, white, land-owners to maintain a grip on power.
I can't believe all the state courts are upholding all these laws catbyte Sep 2012 #1
Judges down the pipe line are often elected - xchrom Sep 2012 #2
Ditto. SoapBox Sep 2012 #6
I am in the same boat. Curmudgeoness Sep 2012 #16
We have mail-in voting (Washington) pscot Sep 2012 #24
Good idea. Curmudgeoness Sep 2012 #27
I have a horrible admission to make tavalon Sep 2012 #28
Here in St. Louis, we vote for retention of Judges Sherman A1 Sep 2012 #26
Can I offer a suggestion Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #35
If I don't know them...I just vote a straight Dem ticket. Auntie Bush Sep 2012 #54
The Commonwealth Court (lowest court) Judge who upheld it BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #4
Supreme Ct "Justice" Scalia was even nuttier - upholding Arizona immig law on old Southern race law progree Sep 2012 #11
Not only is he a Republican; Simpson once was a Democrat! WinkyDink Sep 2012 #13
Ugh. BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #17
I think it was Bill Clinton Ednahilda Sep 2012 #30
It is really screwed up here. Little things like having your middle name on your driver's license, AlinPA Sep 2012 #3
And that's exactly the kind of little thing that ought not to matter. SheilaT Sep 2012 #5
That is *not* true in PA... MadrasT Sep 2012 #9
The problem is whether the poll workers don't make an issue BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #10
The term in the bill is "substantially conform". However, "substantially conform" is not defined in AlinPA Sep 2012 #12
Then that's when we need all those "boots on the ground" - it's clear that when activists started calimary Sep 2012 #23
The state published a guideline to clarify what "substantially conform" means. MadrasT Sep 2012 #50
Actually, it's not quite that draconian. Ednahilda Sep 2012 #31
This is good information dragonlady Sep 2012 #48
Puerto Ricans could not get their birth certificates because the data was compromised Kolesar Sep 2012 #7
As of the 2010 census, there are about 122,000 Puerto Ricans in Philly BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #8
If we imprisoned all the Republicans who deserve it, we'd level that playing field. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #14
2004/Ohio swung on less votes than that! Kolesar Sep 2012 #19
Since Rendell is out (and punditing on MSNBC) BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #25
Acknowledged...eom Kolesar Sep 2012 #47
As long as it applies to emilyg Sep 2012 #15
And that's what happened with Cramer's father BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #22
I do tavalon Sep 2012 #29
what about black people who were born without birth certificates? CreekDog Sep 2012 #32
I came to the United States with no emilyg Sep 2012 #33
so you're saying they should apply for citizenship? CreekDog Sep 2012 #34
Please - you can't be emilyg Sep 2012 #36
you're being stingy with words now CreekDog Sep 2012 #38
I did. Guess it's emilyg Sep 2012 #39
see, the issue I brought up, about black folks not having birth certificates CreekDog Sep 2012 #40
What would you like me emilyg Sep 2012 #41
stop supporting laws that unfairly restrict citizens' right to vote CreekDog Sep 2012 #42
You did not answer my question - what emilyg Sep 2012 #43
I'm happy to answer your question but not until you answer mine CreekDog Sep 2012 #44
We have hi-jacked this thread - if emilyg Sep 2012 #52
It doesn't seem like you want to discuss why you support voter restrictions that harm minorities CreekDog Sep 2012 #53
you really have lost interest, I guess you are afraid to offer an opinion CreekDog Sep 2012 #55
Are you a PA resident? BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #45
I have a feeling that they are also spooked Curmudgeoness Sep 2012 #18
you shouldn't have to be born in PA to vote in PA SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2012 #20
The real problem is that PennDot already informed the legislature that they will not be able Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #21
I think there should be a narrow window for changing election eligibility laws bhikkhu Sep 2012 #37
Bingo! BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #46
It'd be ironic if this law actually drove up turnout mathematic Sep 2012 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author 1GirlieGirl Sep 2012 #51
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