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haele

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40. Nothing, It's actually very beneficial to the wealthy to redistribute wealth through taxes -
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:10 PM
Sep 2012

Money in circulation through taxation (wealth redistribution) allows the government to fund jobs that are not available in the private sector, common education and infrastructure, (amongst other beneficial communal services) in an even-handed, non-discriminatory way (far more based on individual merit) and creates more long-term value and revenue to both individuals and communities than charity or direct giving does.

These activities are investments that create more money, fund innovation, and stabilize communication and delivery resources for everyone. This in turn creates more wealth within a communal structure, which in a long cycle, ends back up into the bank accounts of the wealthy, giving them a long-term source of money for them and their children.
They may not have more money "today", but in ten/twenty/fifty years, that investment via taxes leaves them and their heirs with some serious return in dividends - a stable wealth stream.

The evidence is staring them in the face - it took 30 years for the "wealth redistribution" investments of the 1940's through the mid 1980's to wither away via supply-side (voodoo) economics, when it took just about seven years for those investments to build up a economic machine that ensured some base of opportunity for prosperity for just over 75% of the population back in the late 1930's/early 1940's, and a form of stability for the other 25% that could allow for their children, if not them, to at least be able to dream of attaining economic security and could be better off than the parents. Keynesian economics worked until it was vilified and pretty much torn down to bare bones during the mid-1980's.

When all the wealth begins to be redistributed to the top and just sits there, as what historically happened prior to the 1930's, the cycle becomes much shorter, and even though the wealthy see a short-term "boost" in their wealth, there is no base for that wealth to continue to grow from, and it begins to actually lose value as the customer and production demands that determine that value shrinks.

If you don't have customers, your business fails. If you're a small entrepreneur and you don't have customers - because the majority can't afford your product, can't get to your business to purchase your product, or don't have the energy and means to know your product even exists, you fail.

So, wealthy people who anthropomorphise money - by pretending "your money" can create more of itself without a broad and increasing customer base to demand goods and services, you are cutting your own throats and stealing from your children and your later years to party with today. Money only has value if it can get out and grow; if you keep it to yourselves, it can't, and it stagnates and eventually dies - leaving you with billions of dollars of worthlessness.
And then, all you'll be left with is no way of paying to protect yourself from the millions of un-employed people you made surplus or redundant while you played your self-centered "survival of the richest" reality TV world. I guess you think it's worth it so long as tonight, you get to "party on" in the (as Steven Colbert so elegantly put it) the Russian F*** Pit in your Olympic-sized pool tonight with the few-dozen of your money's friends that can stand to be around you for any length of time.

Haele

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I can't think of a thing wrong with it. ananda Sep 2012 #1
I don't believe in a cap on personal wealth gollygee Sep 2012 #2
Why is it axiomatic that there will always be poor among us? Duer 157099 Sep 2012 #70
There will always be people who are unable to support themselves in any way gollygee Sep 2012 #77
Well, it's the nature of social hierarchy. haele Sep 2012 #79
In any race someone will come in last. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #85
A "cap on personal wealth" would be just nuts. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #3
The biggest reason is the Constitution Major Nikon Sep 2012 #103
yup former-republican Sep 2012 #107
Agree, but.. 99Forever Sep 2012 #4
Money is like manure, spread around it can help things grow HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #5
even if that means printing more money? awwwsheet Sep 2012 #15
Sometimes that's necessary if money has been taken out of the economy CJCRANE Sep 2012 #20
but doesnt that just lower the price of the dollar making it harder to purchace things when we print awwwsheet Sep 2012 #21
What about the $2 trillion dollars taken out of circulation by big businesses... kentuck Sep 2012 #26
so if you have money you must spend it? awwwsheet Sep 2012 #33
You can hold on to it, if you wish... kentuck Sep 2012 #37
pay a fair tax on money you hold in your posession that you have already paid taxes on? awwwsheet Sep 2012 #41
That you paid taxes on? kentuck Sep 2012 #48
So in other words you think its right for the govt Missycim Sep 2012 #54
Nobody's being forced to spend money theKed Sep 2012 #110
Well if you offer tax cuts to goad people into investing then i am for it Missycim Sep 2012 #124
In Arkansas you've got to pay property tax on a car you already own and that is rusting away... HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #87
Not necessarily. The crash took $2 trillion per year out of circulation in the economy. CJCRANE Sep 2012 #30
so when people hold onto their money we need a stimulus to replenish awwwsheet Sep 2012 #34
If we let the banks fail, the global economy would have collapsed CJCRANE Sep 2012 #42
Frankly, theKed Sep 2012 #112
But that might interfere with the freedom... kentuck Sep 2012 #129
Here you go ChazII Sep 2012 #50
Yes this is a good idea Missycim Sep 2012 #58
Funding two wars by borrowing mostly from the Chinese is what got us in this mess HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #81
I don't think there should be a cap on personal wealth... cynatnite Sep 2012 #6
This is an ethical question, depends on how you feel about your fellow human beings. Avalux Sep 2012 #7
BBC: Is redistribution a foreign idea to the US? pampango Sep 2012 #8
My thoughts PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #9
100% ? Incitatus Sep 2012 #14
yes 100% PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #18
I do understand what makes you think someones property Missycim Sep 2012 #23
Why does there need to be a modest tax to pass it on? awwwsheet Sep 2012 #27
Because it is still income for the recipient Incitatus Sep 2012 #38
I am just saying that to be fair Missycim Sep 2012 #53
Why should unearned income be tax free when earned income is not? nt dmallind Sep 2012 #59
I agree with this surface fishing. dmallind Sep 2012 #55
this is true, currently PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #28
Question.. Lightbulb_on Sep 2012 #44
Wealth should be taxed on transfer, regardless of timing. dmallind Sep 2012 #64
So if you built up a company to support your family, awwwsheet Sep 2012 #25
It is not putting my children in harms way PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #36
so every American citizen should start out poor and see if they can make it? awwwsheet Sep 2012 #43
it depends what you consider poor PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #45
there are still a lot of bugs.. awwwsheet Sep 2012 #47
Thats putting it very,very,very kindly. Missycim Sep 2012 #61
say it, freedom of speech.... n/t PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #62
Nope, I am trying to be nice today Missycim Sep 2012 #65
I just want to know why you think you or the gov't is Missycim Sep 2012 #68
A person gained their wealth by PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #86
You labor under the delusion that all wealth is ill gotten. Missycim Sep 2012 #126
What a load of misguided nonsense. kentuck Sep 2012 #131
Well aren't the Missycim Sep 2012 #133
"...doesn't mean you deserve all of their profits." kentuck Sep 2012 #140
But if the workers get half of the profits Missycim Sep 2012 #142
You are trying to go against evolution. Nature will win, you won't. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #91
Society and civilization go against evolution Kindly Refrain Sep 2012 #135
Society and civilization do NOT go against evolution. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #137
If that is the case PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #141
I previously stated that there are individual exceptions. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #144
if you try to enslave a population of over 300,000,000 PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #148
So, let me get this straight... virginia mountainman Sep 2012 #116
that is a good point PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #117
Good! virginia mountainman Sep 2012 #119
also, if you read my post PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #118
Yes but... virginia mountainman Sep 2012 #120
It's actually a good thing. moondust Sep 2012 #10
What you described isn't redistribution. It's confiscation by government. slackmaster Sep 2012 #11
+10000 Missycim Sep 2012 #24
+1,000,000 awwwsheet Sep 2012 #29
+100 ChazII Sep 2012 #82
Going by your INITIAL logic the government will NEVER go after the non wealthy...this statement uponit7771 Sep 2012 #83
+100. A Libertarian friend put it in the form of a question: Skip Intro Sep 2012 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author Skip Intro Sep 2012 #95
The power tama Sep 2012 #132
thank you SmileyRose Sep 2012 #106
Greed IS human nature. It's the truth. randome Sep 2012 #12
+1000 Risen Demon Sep 2012 #102
Two wolves tama Sep 2012 #128
If it were not for the administrative nightmares . . . . abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #13
the only problem I can see is that awwwsheet Sep 2012 #16
That's a separate issue... CJCRANE Sep 2012 #22
right but those people are only taking money from their relative who left it for them. awwwsheet Sep 2012 #32
That's theKed Sep 2012 #115
The "free market" tends to redistribute wealth Ron Green Sep 2012 #17
I think this is an excellent topic... kentuck Sep 2012 #19
The people with it don't want it redistributed. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #31
Yes, if we look at the middle class... kentuck Sep 2012 #35
That's not my position, that's the position of many of the wealthy. porphyrian Sep 2012 #89
well thats common sense awwwsheet Sep 2012 #39
And the people who who have a bunch of it don't want to share it at all. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #90
Nothing, It's actually very beneficial to the wealthy to redistribute wealth through taxes - haele Sep 2012 #40
The problem with redistribution of wealth is it needs to be reversed. hay rick Sep 2012 #46
Morons only think in one direction... kentuck Sep 2012 #51
I think it's the language as opposed to the actual concept loyalsister Sep 2012 #49
Government doesn't necessarily have to take all of it. Cleita Sep 2012 #52
Lots of "new" posters on board with this thread PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #56
You aint ringing up the post count either, Missycim Sep 2012 #63
I wasn't talking about you, but PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #66
Ok sorry but I really dislike Missycim Sep 2012 #69
We redistribute wealth in the extreme, but most of it goes *TO* people like Romney. Marr Sep 2012 #57
If there aren't enough jobs to go around, giving people money is a moral imperative! reformist2 Sep 2012 #60
in the rich's eyes JesterCS Sep 2012 #67
American culture has a very narrow circle of moral outreach - always has. ehrnst Sep 2012 #71
Collecting great wealth is anti-social rock Sep 2012 #72
To answer your question, it's what all governments do. JackRiddler Sep 2012 #73
I Don't Believe in Caps on Personal Income Yavin4 Sep 2012 #74
Depends on how you do it. dmallind Sep 2012 #75
Thom Hartmann's limit is one billion $ cap. ErikJ Sep 2012 #76
Goodbye NFL, NBA etc. One_Life_To_Give Sep 2012 #78
Most of them are NOT in the 1%, that's how bad the knowledge of income in the US is.... uponit7771 Sep 2012 #84
What do you believe the income threshold is SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #111
$770,000/yr is not in the 1%? One_Life_To_Give Sep 2012 #134
What I don't know is ... chemenger Sep 2012 #80
Very little personal wealth is in cash accounts. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #88
Nothing, an economy exists to distribute resource. If there is no movement then the economy fails. TheKentuckian Sep 2012 #92
Well ideally I'd like to see capitalism itself abolished, but in the short term... white_wolf Sep 2012 #93
So the government would confiscate anyones money that has liquid over 1 million ? former-republican Sep 2012 #96
We already tax people, this would just be an extension of that. white_wolf Sep 2012 #97
Revamping the tax code would be a start former-republican Sep 2012 #99
And also remember former-republican Sep 2012 #100
I'm not trusting the "same" people to do anything. white_wolf Sep 2012 #104
Modern revolutions never end well former-republican Sep 2012 #105
I haven't actually proposed revolution in the sense of violent overthrow. white_wolf Sep 2012 #108
It won't be in our lifetime or your children's but I believe former-republican Sep 2012 #114
Goodbye Clooney, Tom Hanks, Stephen King, John Kerry.... Zax2me Sep 2012 #98
''So really ... what is wrong with redistributing wealth?'' DeSwiss Sep 2012 #101
You can go back to Native Americans former-republican Sep 2012 #109
Another ancient Indian proverb says: DeSwiss Sep 2012 #121
Depends on whos wealth it is. L0oniX Sep 2012 #113
I think it is all about recirculation gulliver Sep 2012 #122
If the goal is to raise revenue for those things you outlined hughee99 Sep 2012 #123
Yikes!!! greytdemocrat Sep 2012 #125
The whole frame is misleading tama Sep 2012 #127
If the horses don't poop, the sparrows don't eat... kentuck Sep 2012 #130
So whats to stop someone from making up to 10mil and Missycim Sep 2012 #136
Don't take offense, but PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #138
no offence taken, Missycim Sep 2012 #139
I was not PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #143
oops my bad :D Missycim Sep 2012 #146
Who cares? TBF Sep 2012 #145
Having higher taxes is similar to that. LiberalFighter Sep 2012 #147
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