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Reply to grantcart (Reply #59)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:16 AM

Sep 2012

Was it paid for by Medicare or Medicaid?

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If we want Medicare to work we are going to have to raise Medicare taxes and premiums. [View all] dkf Sep 2012 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #1

Make end of life care less expensive, since that's where the money's going... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #3

I'm not suggesting anything, except... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #7

a large percent of patients rip the tube out? reference, please. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #9

Her doctor, the nurses in the facility, and several... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #11

when you make a statement like "a large percentage of patients pull their tubes out" as if it's HiPointDem Sep 2012 #41

I'm not sure I care what you want... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #51

two people have confirmed people pulled out their feeding tubes. i've seen no evidence that HiPointDem Sep 2012 #53

Seems like a strange fight to pick demwing Sep 2012 #71

My uncle with dementia pulled out his IV and tried to leave the hospital on several earlier visits. dkf Sep 2012 #77

an iv isn't a feeding tube. the most common feeding tube is a button on your gut. it's not HiPointDem Sep 2012 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #28

what kind of tube? and what kind of facility? HiPointDem Sep 2012 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #58

the poster wasn't talking about "breathing" (sic) tubes or ivs he was specifically talking about HiPointDem Sep 2012 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #69

an endotracheal tube is a breathing tube again. i think we already established we're discussing HiPointDem Sep 2012 #73

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show me the statistics that say a "large percentage" of patients rip out their feeding tubes, HiPointDem Sep 2012 #82

I can say this... SkyDaddy7 Sep 2012 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #47

yeah, all the docs are talking about the 'quick money' in peg tubes. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #70

yes, i have. and i've never heard a doc say 'quick money' when he finished. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #76

Does your mother have Alzheimer's? Freddie Sep 2012 #30

Nope. Severe dementia, but not Alzheimer's. TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #66

I thought that was illegal? TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #86

Doctors selling drugs, particularly unapproved drugs. TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #113

You are describing fraud forthemiddle Sep 2012 #114

My Mom has had a feeding tube for over 2 years. begin_within Sep 2012 #126

its a deep and difficult question. grantcart Sep 2012 #59

Question - DURHAM D Sep 2012 #96

I am not sure. My brothers are attorneys and handled all of the claims. grantcart Sep 2012 #98

Medicare does not pick up the tab for the care you described. DURHAM D Sep 2012 #105

The problem is we don't know when the end will be. pnwmom Sep 2012 #5

You're right, but while we have no idea... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #8

we could just euthanize them. very comfortable. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #10

Yes. We could set an age, say 70... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #12

We could at least offer people that choice. I don't want to sit in a home with GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #60

if you want to die on your own, no fluids is quick and relatively painless. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #62

With my luck I will get just so thirsty and drink something. Besides, relatively painless is GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #68

i don't want it to be even a *small* part, especially with 20% of the population over 65 in HiPointDem Sep 2012 #79

I hear your concern. I totally do. But I think it sucks to force people to live who do not want to. GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #87

no one's forcing anyone to live. people always have the option of ending it. what you're talking HiPointDem Sep 2012 #90

You are assuming that no medical personnel want to assist people through death. Perhaps GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #117

then they should arrange their own suicides. i'm totally opposed to turning medical personnel HiPointDem Sep 2012 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #72

Thank you for being there for those people when their time came. I was not there for GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #120

I saw my father suffer for years with cancer... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #116

Yeah. My Dad always told me to take him out back and shoot him if his mind started to go. Both GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #119

We live in France most of the year. cyclezealot Sep 2012 #23

Since the UN and other organization consistantly rate France... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #34

Wow. Get back to us when YOU'RE at that point, mm-kay? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #46

Remove the FICA cap and dedicate the "over the cap" $$ to Medicare Freddie Sep 2012 #4

Agreed newfie11 Sep 2012 #24

"that would be a tax increase on the rich!" Freddie Sep 2012 #27

right newfie11 Sep 2012 #95

Also treat all income the same way. daleanime Sep 2012 #25

Including social security and pensions and retirement distributions? dkf Sep 2012 #35

Social security isn't income. It's insurance payments. Recipients pay premiums throughout their valerief Sep 2012 #107

This is the answer! peace13 Sep 2012 #102

Ok, no. There has to be another way. JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #6

What is your solution then? Expect the same services but at 1/3 the cost? Is that realistic? dkf Sep 2012 #13

Reduce expenses. JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #18

That is cost-shifting Freddie Sep 2012 #26

Romney's comments on using the emergency room bluestate10 Sep 2012 #108

dfk ignores the effect of compounding in his claims. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #106

my solution is universal health care like every other civilized country on the planet. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #57

I wish. It seems obvious to me that its the only end point that will work. dkf Sep 2012 #64

The is a sane end goal. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #110

it wasn't an incremental program at all. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #112

Not true. aandegoons Sep 2012 #14

Medicare doesn't have a payroll cap. dkf Sep 2012 #16

Social Security does aandegoons Sep 2012 #17

Great minds think alike & post at the same time! Freddie Sep 2012 #20

Social security funds social security not Medicare. dkf Sep 2012 #29

But SS does Freddie Sep 2012 #19

If you use social security funds to fund Medicare you will stress both funds. dkf Sep 2012 #44

I think he/she is not talking about taking anything from the current Social Security MiniMe Sep 2012 #89

Yes, thank you! JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #21

The ACA was supposed to do that or so it's name implies. dkf Sep 2012 #33

Ok, now you're being deliberately obtuse. JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #67

I'll believe it maybe when a politician actually proposes something. Pelosi? Obama? Reid? dkf Sep 2012 #81

OMG. Just go the fuck back to FR. JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #93

Maybe we need to get the legal profession's hand out of the expenses? customerserviceguy Sep 2012 #129

"What you are suggesting is a republicans wet dream" Capt. Obvious Sep 2012 #115

Allowing people like myself to Ship of Fools Sep 2012 #15

Or the government could set prices the way they do in civilized countries eridani Sep 2012 #22

They also set limits and budgets at least in Canada and the UK. dkf Sep 2012 #32

es--it's called global budgeting. It goes along with single payer-- eridani Sep 2012 #125

There is another thread in my parallel universe... littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #31

Or maybe we just stop building weapons for a war we'll never fight. obxhead Sep 2012 #38

But without all that military build-up raouldukelives Sep 2012 #131

Here's how it works... bl968 Sep 2012 #40

+1 HiPointDem Sep 2012 #42

We couldn't even get a public option which made me very unhappy about the ACA. dkf Sep 2012 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Sep 2012 #49

Did it, really? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #50

She was so upset RandiFan1290 Sep 2012 #52

Yes. I support single payer because that is one way I know to keep health costs under control. dkf Sep 2012 #54

The Pentagon lost track of trillions, according to Rummy in 2001. Adjust your target. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #84

Thank you. littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #88

Price controls. The price gouging on medical care for terminal illness is out of control. reformist2 Sep 2012 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #55

I'm still skeptical of RLS - "restless leg syndrome" reformist2 Sep 2012 #65

no...open it up to everyone ibegurpard Sep 2012 #63

Medicare needs to be more strictly audited. My late mother said that 30 years ago. nt raccoon Sep 2012 #75

The Defense budget beats all. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #85

You won't get any argument from me--the MIC is eating us alive. nt raccoon Sep 2012 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #78

And the latest Medicare thing, Dr's charging patients to take Medicare MiniMe Sep 2012 #91

How about LOWERING the eligibility age to 55 or 50? thucythucy Sep 2012 #92

And think of how many people 55-65 would retire tomorrow Freddie Sep 2012 #123

You are on to something awake Sep 2012 #128

I agree. thucythucy Sep 2012 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #94

That's just not fucking true Cal Carpenter Sep 2012 #99

Well, we have to tax or cut something, not necessarily Medicare itself. porphyrian Sep 2012 #100

Would you raise premiums on everyone? kentuck Sep 2012 #101

Increase the pool. Allow everyone on the plan BlueToTheBone Sep 2012 #103

If you pay $100,000-$150,000 into a savings account over 44 years, bluestate10 Sep 2012 #104

I'd gladly take the premiums I'm paying for insurance now to pay for Medicare AllyCat Sep 2012 #109

We need to do what France does. nt valerief Sep 2012 #111

The Answer Is Single Payer Which Bends The Healthcare Cost Curve for Everyone Yavin4 Sep 2012 #118

This betrays a much simpler solution Major Nikon Sep 2012 #121

Allow young people to buy into Medicare. begin_within Sep 2012 #124

Are these reliable figures? MadDash Sep 2012 #127

We are at the point were the boomers are reaching the age when they use these programs and like jwirr Sep 2012 #132