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Silent3

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80. I suspect you're asking the other poster, but for me "work" means, and can only mean...
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:34 PM
Sep 2020

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...works for a time, given regulation and vigilance, and "works" as well as anything that's actually been tried that you can compare it to.

The Soviet Union, for example, produced some enormous ecological disasters - the Aral Sea, Chernobyl, etc. A lack of capitalism didn't save the environment there.

If the argument is that capitalism inevitably fails, that may well be true, but what is the proven alternative that's eternally self-sustaining, or at least longer lasting?

My gripe with people who rail against capitalism is that they don't have anything proven to be better as a replacement to offer us, and they fail to make a case the failings they attribute to capitalism aren't simply generic human failings merely being expressed through capitalism.

Ever since the pace of technological changes has picked up, governments, economies, and societies have changed faster and faster too. The only societies and human institutions which have been stable for centuries have been nearly unchanging in all ways for centuries. And just because they were stable doesn't mean they were good, either. I like antibiotics and the internet and knowing something about what the stars actually are when I look up at them -- there's no idealized golden age of the past I want to go back to.

Are there plenty of things we should try, at least on a small scale, see how they work, and then build on them if they work well? Certainly! But grousing about how evil capitalism supposedly is in the meantime doesn't get us anywhere.

That's the price of living in a capitalist system. Baitball Blogger Sep 2020 #1
Oh, come on, Stalin killed 20 million of his own countrymen Silent3 Sep 2020 #27
+1000 cayugafalls Sep 2020 #28
Mr. Naive, public universal education is useless when people in power....... jaxexpat Sep 2020 #40
Excuse me? Name calling gets you no where with me bud. cayugafalls Sep 2020 #43
Please excuse me. I didn't, until rereading, realize the unnecessary tenor of my reply. jaxexpat Sep 2020 #67
Sorry, I completely missed this, we are all good. ;-) cayugafalls Sep 2020 #76
so... stevesinpa Sep 2020 #29
Non-capitalist systems are not free from greed... Silent3 Sep 2020 #41
We are talking about our fellow Americans who enable Trump. Baitball Blogger Sep 2020 #30
Huge amounts of wealth have been destroyed by COVID, even if *some* rich bastards... Silent3 Sep 2020 #44
How billionaires got $637 billion richer during the coronavirus pandemic Kid Berwyn Sep 2020 #63
It's still not good long-term strategic capitalist thinking... Silent3 Sep 2020 #64
That is part of it but it mainly boils down to the Plutocrats being able to purchase our politicians Dustlawyer Sep 2020 #35
In non-capitalist system, however, power inequalities take form in other ways... Silent3 Sep 2020 #45
Any system can and will be abused. The best we can do is fight to keep Dustlawyer Sep 2020 #47
And that's my point. Silent3 Sep 2020 #50
what is "non-capitalist system"? Can you name a country as an example? AlexSFCA Sep 2020 #61
The only examples are the ones that a lot of people seem to think "don't count"... Silent3 Sep 2020 #66
absolutely AlexSFCA Sep 2020 #68
Right Progressive dog Sep 2020 #70
But her emails.... Heartstrings Sep 2020 #2
Capitalism works just fine, Doc_Technical Sep 2020 #3
agreed cynical_idealist Sep 2020 #8
+10000 bdamomma Sep 2020 #51
Chattel slavery worked "just fine," from certain points of view. PETRUS Sep 2020 #12
Capitalism works fine if it is regulated (rules based) and limited to certain sectors of society DSandra Sep 2020 #22
The bottom has been falling out since Reagan's election ArizonaLib Sep 2020 #32
Yes. A hundred years from now history books will PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #36
Yes - the surprise to everyone was white males who voted for him ArizonaLib Sep 2020 #56
The problem is not fooled Sep 2020 #39
Does *any* human institution work out long term? Silent3 Sep 2020 #72
Just as capitalism supplanted feudalism and monarchy not fooled Sep 2020 #73
If we don't know what comes next, however... Silent3 Sep 2020 #74
Capitalism in the present day not fooled Sep 2020 #75
"FDR achieved a balance of sorts" Silent3 Sep 2020 #77
No, I think well regulated capitalism can work not fooled Sep 2020 #78
Interesting subthread. PETRUS Sep 2020 #79
I suspect you're asking the other poster, but for me "work" means, and can only mean... Silent3 Sep 2020 #80
Hey. PETRUS Sep 2020 #81
Sure! We don't all have to discuss... Silent3 Sep 2020 #82
Great, thanks! PETRUS Sep 2020 #83
To be fair, we don't care about a great many things Sympthsical Sep 2020 #4
And my answer...it all goes back to fox propaganda. BComplex Sep 2020 #5
Yes, fox noise turn their viewers into a "me me me " crowd with their brainwashing. KS Toronado Sep 2020 #17
Yes, 25 years of Fox News and 30 years of Rush Limbaugh NewJeffCT Sep 2020 #23
Worst of all, they've had that effect on NEWS. The other stations treat fox like they're legitimate BComplex Sep 2020 #26
the most perplexing question will be Dukkha Sep 2020 #6
even 4% approval would be mind boggling cynical_idealist Sep 2020 #9
In this case, "hindsight" could easily mean "viewed from that little opening in one's ass." calimary Sep 2020 #10
Please send this to everyone Captaindad Sep 2020 #7
They will also ask "what did you do?" which motivates me to keep working for Dems. Hamlette Sep 2020 #11
People were frightened for their lives and livelihoods bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #13
Eloi and Morlocks. n/t Harker Sep 2020 #14
+1 FailureToCommunicate Sep 2020 #38
Thoughtful people will look back and say.. VladmireTrumpkins Sep 2020 #15
Just today I saw someone (an actual aquaintance, and not just a digital friend)... C Moon Sep 2020 #16
Ask him to put you in his will. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #37
And why did so many cheerlead for the death of more Americans? NBachers Sep 2020 #18
An American treasure, if I was Prez, he would get the top honor. Faygo Kid Sep 2020 #19
I share NO responsibility with the 63 million Americans who voted for THE failed president who ancianita Sep 2020 #20
Twitter reply: Rhiannon12866 Sep 2020 #21
Point well made. Points well made. RVN VET71 Sep 2020 #60
Very, very true. cwydro Sep 2020 #24
They also will ask why it was that Republicans loved $ over their people & planet! They Illumination Sep 2020 #25
A: Jesus is their co-insurance and Q has his hand very far up their arse. Missn-Hitch Sep 2020 #31
I have the answer right now. Because the ones Cha Sep 2020 #33
They bdamomma Sep 2020 #52
Yes, they've really gone way beyond Cha Sep 2020 #57
Same question history asked after Germany was defeated. cayugafalls Sep 2020 #34
Let's hope there'll be an honest history recorded by sane people in a functioning democracy. VOX Sep 2020 #42
People will ask why we let such an idiot stay in power for so long. Nt raccoon Sep 2020 #46
exactly bdamomma Sep 2020 #55
The number of deaths and warmfeet Sep 2020 #48
No Doubt colsohlibgal Sep 2020 #49
Exactly.nt BootinUp Sep 2020 #53
And they will ask, "What were you doing to help?" Nitram Sep 2020 #54
History books will NOT ask why we let 200,000 Americans die Bucky Sep 2020 #58
I expect it to be much higher. MoonchildCA Sep 2020 #62
History books won't ask, they'll tell exactly what and why it happened. AlexSFCA Sep 2020 #69
Not really quite sure if history will last much longer.... Acornsouth Sep 2020 #59
Same reason people didn't care initially about AIDS victims Azathoth Sep 2020 #65
Or Piss Wig will be hailed as a great leader who single handedly ended it. BlueTsunami2018 Sep 2020 #71
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