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Bonobo

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84. George Bush did not start wars because of how I voted.

Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:25 PM

Sep 2012

I was in Massachusetts, but even if I had been in Florida and had voted for Nader, I think it is dishonest to blame people for voting their conscience.

If everyone had voted for Nader instead of splitting the vote by voting for Gore/Lieberman, Bush would not have been able to steal the election.

See how easy it is to turn it around?

Gore was to blame for bringing in a war-mongering bastard as his choice. It was a clear signal that war would surely follow in his admin as well. He is to blame and voting for moral high ground is in no way a slippery slope.

Do you want to know what a REAL SLIPPERY SLOPE is as opposed to the bullshit one?

A REAL SLIPPERY SLOPE is forgiving immoral acts because they are carried out by your side. By being so adrift that you would condemn the same action if done by the opposing party and then overlook it if done by your side.

THAT...is a slippery slope.

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Ralph Nader is a war criminal more aggresive than George Bush. [View all] Stuart G Sep 2012 OP

Ralph only cares for Ralph. /nt still_one Sep 2012 #1

What war crimes has he committed? ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #2

Agreed Sherman A1 Sep 2012 #63

I alert-ed this thread cprise Sep 2012 #104

What happened in 2000 is Bush stole the election...SCOTUS let him do it... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #3

The election would not have been in doubt for the SC to steal, save the 97k Nader votes in Florida. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #13

I didn't vote for Nader, so I'm not the one to say it... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #17

The election would have not been in doubt if 300,000 Democratic Floridians had not voted for Bush. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #23

Yep, got a quote right from Ralph. FRN. nt bluestate10 Sep 2012 #68

bullshit. The election was never "in doubt!" gore won. Every way it was counted. And it was robinlynne Sep 2012 #55

That is the same Gore who won his home state? Sherman A1 Sep 2012 #65

No, that is the same President Gore. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #73

Well, we will never know, will we since 3 of the 21 instances of election irregularity the DOJ Samantha Sep 2012 #96

Gore won. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #69

Did you miss the supreme court? And the vote count done later by the U of chicago? robinlynne Sep 2012 #81

Assuming, of course, that some of those 97K wouldn't have voted for Bush dflprincess Sep 2012 #72

And, unfortunately, people have wasted the last 12 years dreaming of fucking Nader. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #26

They need to get over Nader and focus on what you mention... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #31

Nader has been irrelevant for 12 years, but he makes a convenient excuse Lydia Leftcoast Sep 2012 #118

Utter nonsense. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #4

You think what you think.. Stuart G Sep 2012 #8

300,000 Democratic Floridians voted for Bush. Perhaps you should save a bit of that vitriol for Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #21

there is never, ever a response to this when it's posted.. frylock Sep 2012 #50

Still not war crimes, not matter how you spin it ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #35

Please explain how you think you can spin this into a war crime. n/t cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #45

no it did not make any difference. Gore won by a large margin anyway. robinlynne Sep 2012 #56

Really? Nader's words quoted and my arithmetic. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #24

Then Gore should have sought out the votes of the left that he didn't appeal to. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #39

Gore picked Lieberman, the ABSOLUTELY WORST human being among the Dems... Bonobo Sep 2012 #71

All true zappaman Sep 2012 #123

The demand for the perfect. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #75

Who demanded perfection? Bonobo Sep 2012 #89

The frenzy of Derp has reached critical mass. Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #5

THIS Indydem Sep 2012 #7

I think it was a mistake for people to support Nader 2000 - that is hardly being a war criminal Douglas Carpenter Sep 2012 #6

Not the same as Debs..looks the same, sounds the same...not the same.. Stuart G Sep 2012 #14

no he is not the same as Debs and the historic conditions are not the same. but that does not make Douglas Carpenter Sep 2012 #18

Teh stoopid is strong here. Derp! GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #9

What's with all the attacks on Nader lately? ArcticFox Sep 2012 #10

This! MuseRider Sep 2012 #16

+1 n/t TDale313 Sep 2012 #33

Wow. That's some high-quality nonsense Scootaloo Sep 2012 #11

Nader is an anal retentive asshole. nt bluestate10 Sep 2012 #12

Which is why Karl Rove held the money strings on his 2004 presidential run. He's a phony and a sham. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #15

Republican Contributions: $10.7 Million for Kerry vs. $111,700 for Nader Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #20

Bogus argument. When Republicans gave money to Kerry, they were trying to put Kerry, a DEMOCRAT, in Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #22

Really. Then why did many of them also donate to a REPUBLICAN in the same elections cycle? Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #27

We are talking about the Presidential race. Do you understand that Nader was actively, Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #28

answer the fucking question frylock Sep 2012 #52

Read my fucking answer to the fucking question. nt bluestate10 Sep 2012 #79

Excuse me? Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #87

did i stutter? frylock Sep 2012 #121

I explained it. Republicans contributing to Kerry wanted to put KERRY in the White House Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #122

Nope, I will never apologize for voting with my conscience. Bonobo Sep 2012 #74

Really? bluestate10 Sep 2012 #78

George Bush did not start wars because of how I voted. Bonobo Sep 2012 #84

Ralph Nader was working for the GOP in 2004. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #88

No, I don't think that's true. Bonobo Sep 2012 #90

He knew what he was doing, and he had plenty of opportunity to change course. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #93

Yeah, but that doesn't mean he was working for the GOP as you said, Warren. Bonobo Sep 2012 #98

In 2000, I could accept that he was just misguided. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #101

Simple. McCain, when he still had full morals ran against Bush bluestate10 Sep 2012 #77

No, they were merely hedging their bets. They were working hard to get the Republican sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #106

Nader is an ass who sacrificed his moral authority to feed his ego. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #108

It must be hard to have to deal with this much anger. I can't relate to it at all, especially sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #111

I'm angry at everyone responsible. I'm angry at the SCOTUS. I'm angry at the media. I'm even angry Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #115

Blah, blah, blah Blue_In_AK Sep 2012 #19

This may be the strangest, post I've read on DU... but I think I get what you're saying. MerryBlooms Sep 2012 #25

Nader did not cause Bush to become President obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #29

"Al Gore WON the 2000 election" : Absolutely true. northoftheborder Sep 2012 #91

Leave Ralph alone!!!... SidDithers Sep 2012 #30

good one! robinlynne Sep 2012 #57

Why? He can handle the few in this country who want to give a pass to the sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #114

Nader is a Jackass NOT a criminal jorno67 Sep 2012 #32

He's not a jackass either, Zippy. raw raina Sep 2012 #59

Welcome to DU! Robb Sep 2012 #60

Back atcha! raw raina Sep 2012 #62

oh...well, you convinced me. jorno67 Sep 2012 #67

Right. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #82

Funny argument jorno67 Sep 2012 #117

I am not particularly a Nader fan, but this is bullshit. renie408 Sep 2012 #34

umm al gore lost the election by himself for running a crummy campaign. nice try tho nt msongs Sep 2012 #36

This is as bat-guano insane as anything by a right-winger DerekG Sep 2012 #37

Of "war crimes", nonetheless. wtmusic Sep 2012 #40

I think it's an oversimplification to call Nader a war criminal Downtown Hound Sep 2012 #43

If you want to go that route, we're all responsible DerekG Sep 2012 #94

Yeah, we're all responsible Downtown Hound Sep 2012 #103

You have no reason to think it was "so he could feel important". Bonobo Sep 2012 #99

You're right Downtown Hound Sep 2012 #109

I didn't say "no way" cause I don't play fast and loose with unknowns. Bonobo Sep 2012 #110

And the result of Ralph's "concern" that corporations own both parties? Downtown Hound Sep 2012 #116

^^^ THIS ^^^!!!! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #38

lol... fascisthunter Sep 2012 #41

This is even stupider than the usual Nader bs. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #42

Just can't get over the fact that the Democratic Party leadership torpedoed Gore's campaign Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #44

oh, what did Nader say today? ibegurpard Sep 2012 #46

You broke logic for good. Please come fix it. Bucky Sep 2012 #47

God, the Nader-Haters are insane. Marr Sep 2012 #48

argle bargle!!1 frylock Sep 2012 #49

A singularly deranged and irrational OP. Bonobo Sep 2012 #51

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #83

I like the posts that say how irrelevant he is or how nobody cares about him anymore, Snotcicles Sep 2012 #53

He has NO repsosnibility for anything that happened in 2000. You and I have more robinlynne Sep 2012 #54

oops black caucus and boxer stood up in 2004. correction. robinlynne Sep 2012 #58

Black caucus did stand up in 2000. NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #97

Yes. you're right.. In 2004 we got one senator to stand up. robinlynne Sep 2012 #119

War criminal? lordsummerisle Sep 2012 #61

lulz TransitJohn Sep 2012 #64

What a sorry fucker tabasco Sep 2012 #66

Wow. Congratulations. I never thought I would defend Ralph Nader. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #70

I always enjoy seeing hyperbole used to redefine a term. hughee99 Sep 2012 #76

Same old tired shit. So old. morningfog Sep 2012 #85

He who ruined Green Party. nmbluesky Sep 2012 #86

The OP rudycantfail Sep 2012 #92

It's funny, but it's also terribly sad and terribly true. Bonobo Sep 2012 #95

It's hard to believe rudycantfail Sep 2012 #100

Have you ever thought of becoming a FoxNews news actor? If you truly believe what you wrote.... xocet Sep 2012 #102

The Supreme Court stole that election. Fire Walk With Me Sep 2012 #105

You don't like Democracy? You equate the democratic electoral process sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #107

Also something to wonder about: cprise Sep 2012 #112

Well I have wondered about this for a long time. The sheer hatred for someone who sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #113

The problem is bucking the establishment not "helping Bush win". TheKentuckian Sep 2012 #124

Have a nice life. GeorgeGist Sep 2012 #120

The OP expresses a sentiment soooo goofy, I'm left wondering if those that share it TheKentuckian Sep 2012 #125