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Nasruddin

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87. Breaking the spell

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 10:24 AM

Nov 2020

Don't martyr him. It's his game. This Dolchstosslegende stuff he's doing about the election is his plan B & he'll just add government persecution to it.

Let the states take care of his businesses. Nobody in TX cares if NY state burns down the Trump family if they've evaded hundreds of millions of taxes thru fraud. I'm assuming there is a lot of fraud and misdeeds to be found - let's be sure. Let the IRS do its thing but at a snail's pace - let the states lead.

Do a real CI investigation & clear up the foreign influence questions in a dry, boring way. If a ton of misdeeds and money laundering crimes are discovered, let the prosecution grind away slowly. If there are crimes, focus on the enablers. Let them force an action against their boss(-es).

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Brad Parscale's big data 'Death Star' dragged in 10 million new Trump voters [View all] My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 OP

Interesting. I don't understand your last sentence texasfiddler Nov 2020 #1

I don't understand that one either. dem4decades Nov 2020 #5

Using big data to identify low propensity Dem voters Loki Liesmith Nov 2020 #11

What it means is AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #45

We need to be doing that in GA right now. Maraya1969 Nov 2020 #65

Yup, It means that and it means we almost lost the whole thing this time. jaxexpat Nov 2020 #74

Your assumption that the Dem base is a 'lackadaisical bunch of non-conformist pseudo intellectuals' StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #95

I'm saying that is arguably the die hard wing of democrats. The rest are "maybe" voters. jaxexpat Nov 2020 #104

You are still ignoring/dissing black, brown, low-income voters who are anything but "maybe" voters StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #106

Please accept my apologies if you think I'm dissing any of those voters. Their act of voting is the jaxexpat Nov 2020 #109

Accepted StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #110

It's the veneer of voters that create a win. A thin demographic who usually never vote at all. jaxexpat Nov 2020 #112

The battle to save this nation is by no means over DSandra Nov 2020 #98

That's right. All the good ideas need to become actions. jaxexpat Nov 2020 #105

We won by 5 million votes. True Blue American Nov 2020 #2

We won the Senate too My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #3

The Lincoln Group has a powerful message against both Loeffler True Blue American Nov 2020 #4

Yes My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #9

Thank you. True Blue American Nov 2020 #15

I always come back to the 40% who voted for Hoover in 1932. My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #24

The Republican Party True Blue American Nov 2020 #33

and flipped a bunch of statehouses and increased our majority in the House Celerity Nov 2020 #13

It's worth researching, 5 million is great but they're not all in the state's needed OnDoutside Nov 2020 #7

yes, but even in Blue (POTUS) states we got hammered in many House and statehouse races Celerity Nov 2020 #16

I agree with you Celerity ... BasicallyComplicated Nov 2020 #56

The bigger problem was aggregate poling showing democrats up outside of MOE then .. uponit7771 Nov 2020 #54

Yes, shit like that does need to be investigated, and can now be done. OnDoutside Nov 2020 #58

+1, I think the more empirical miss is the efficacy of voter suppression measures ... uponit7771 Nov 2020 #60

That's a great point, we can certainly use Georgia as a measuring standard against other states. I OnDoutside Nov 2020 #72

Yep, Georgia will be their last time to get it correct and tell us what's up if they don't uponit7771 Nov 2020 #73

Exactly. And that gives me hope for January. OnDoutside Nov 2020 #76

Be afwaid .. vewy vewy afwaid AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #46

We need to do much better with the Hispanic community padah513 Nov 2020 #53

Agree LeftInTX Nov 2020 #70

Uh - you might want to check your numbers again moose65 Nov 2020 #57

44,000 it is .... but still a very small number compared to 140 million who voted. AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #61

I think the point is that 22K flipping from Biden to fuckface flips the election. Lucky Luciano Nov 2020 #66

Where are you all getting that from? moose65 Nov 2020 #88

Assuming the margin of victory in the 3 states was 44k sir pball Nov 2020 #94

Gotcha moose65 Nov 2020 #107

Welcome to every election for the rest of your life BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #91

It sucks ddoesn't it? AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #103

Biden's won hinged on a few states. We must do better. yardwork Nov 2020 #47

Yes, wasn't it if 22,000 or so had switched from Biden to Trump, Trump OnDoutside Nov 2020 #50

You can learn much from what your enemies did well. paleotn Nov 2020 #63

Yes! moose65 Nov 2020 #108

The Golden State Nasruddin Nov 2020 #64

Yeah we have all the answers BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #90

There are definitely more Trump supporters than I expected. SouthernCal_Dem Nov 2020 #6

We had a drastically better candidate Delarage Nov 2020 #8

There racism appealed to the Latinos in Florida who see themselves JI7 Nov 2020 #17

we could not canvass in person this year because covids; they did Captain Zero Nov 2020 #32

My cousin, in Bucks County PA, wanted to go moonscape Nov 2020 #111

I think we're in beginning stages of a big shift SouthernCal_Dem Nov 2020 #10

Republicans made major strides in border areas of Texas. lostnfound Nov 2020 #19

That might be a one-time thing Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #25

No, there were no polls showing this. Something's very wrong uponit7771 Nov 2020 #43

In any case, regardless Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #44

I continue to blame this on new "non-denominational" Churches texasfiddler Nov 2020 #48

Yes, Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #49

Latino Rednecks LeftInTX Nov 2020 #77

Some truth Nasruddin Nov 2020 #83

Latino men Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #85

Maybe, maybe not Rstrstx Nov 2020 #117

Honestly, the young, better Educated voters True Blue American Nov 2020 #21

Good for you! Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #27

I have always been a Democrat. True Blue American Nov 2020 #36

It's funny Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #51

You are not alone.Against Obama. True Blue American Nov 2020 #55

That big shift could take 20-30 years to be fully realized BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #92

That's why he and his minions are in denial Rice4VP Nov 2020 #12

You are undervaluing state legislatures and senate. lostnfound Nov 2020 #18

We'll cross that bridge when we get to it.... Rice4VP Nov 2020 #20

It was mostly status quo. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #31

Shitty fucked up Incels who have infected social media JI7 Nov 2020 #14

Democratic voters did this to Brad's Death Star Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #22

Tulsa did that to Brad's setup My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #26

Funny here. True Blue American Nov 2020 #40

73 million votes for trump is tragic. tman Nov 2020 #23

We still outnumber them by a good amount. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #29

No, he just got them to crawl out from under their rocks. Tommymac Nov 2020 #52

We as progressives and Democrats Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #59

Well we have a pretty smart President-elect & VP-Elect... Tommymac Nov 2020 #80

OPer should tell the DNC bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #28

You never have to tell the DNC, RNC My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #37

I had guessed around 170m voters. . Maxheader Nov 2020 #30

Democrats being rightfully concerned about the pandemic really hurt our GOTV LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #34

Yeah. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #41

Yes, agree LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #84

"51+ million voted on 11/4"??? LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #35

Oops. Fixed. ty. My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #38

Evangelicals: 40% of Trump voters? MySideOfTown Nov 2020 #39

They are also shrinking in number. True Blue American Nov 2020 #42

Pastors Nasruddin Nov 2020 #79

I believe so. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #82

When I mentioned True Blue American Nov 2020 #96

Mission #1 must be to bankrupt the Trumps Jon King Nov 2020 #62

Perhaps a point to think about here is the Trump campaign use of social media. Lonestarblue Nov 2020 #67

Given all we've seen.... paleotn Nov 2020 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2020 #69

Breaking the spell Nasruddin Nov 2020 #87

There is still more of us than there are of them. (is my grammar correct?) BarbD Nov 2020 #71

I read somewhere it wasn't all latinos. Latino women went heavily for Biden Vivienne235729 Nov 2020 #75

Men Nasruddin Nov 2020 #78

I read somewhere it was the toxic masculinity. But I agree. We need to Vivienne235729 Nov 2020 #81

That's all well and good--they need to do a better job targeting and registering Dem voters, seems BusyBeingBest Nov 2020 #86

The billion dollars may have helped some Gothmog Nov 2020 #89

Terrific OP BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #93

Rather than being defeatist, I don't see what's wrong My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #97

Totally agree. BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #99

And young women have been known to hunt in packs. My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #100

"Digital outreach stepped up immediately after the 2016 election." Sogo Nov 2020 #101

Matched it with Facebook/Instagram/Snap & Twitter IDs for starters. My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #102

Kick My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #113

Still not convincing me Trump found 10M extra idiots to vote for him JCMach1 Nov 2020 #114

Nigerian Princes REALLY want that data ThoughtCriminal Nov 2020 #115

Brad's thumb might have been on the parscale... Blue Owl Nov 2020 #116

Kicking for the last time - thanks everyone. My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #118