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Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
13. Well...
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:09 AM
Nov 2020

1) Mandatory voting. Pros and cons have been debated for decades. Tends to be rooted in the myth that there is a large bloc of would-be progressive voters out there who need to be forced to the polls. 2020 exploded that myth. Extremely high turnout benefits both sides. If Trump had been only slightly more sane, he might have won. Obviously, then, it comes down to whether the political process in general benefits by forcing a large group of people into it who don't want to be there and likely have no idea what's going on. And that avoids the theoretical difference between a right and a legal duty. Having the right to mandatory voting is like saying you have the right to pay taxes. There's a strong argument to be made that the right to vote for whoever you choose necessarily entails the right to not vote at all.

2) There's been discussion about a federal election commission for some time. There's a couple problems. First is US Federalism. States are sovereign entities and for the most part have the right and responsibility to conduct their own elections, which the federal government can regulate only in certain ways. Then there's the unique problem with presidential elections and the monkey-assed Electoral College system. The state legislatures pick the Electors and no one else. Presidential elections are complete fictions; despite what's written on the ballots, the voters are not actually voting for candidates, nor are they voting for Electors. They're essentially voting in a referendum on which electors the legislature should appoint. There will *always* be the possibility that the legislature could change the law or find a reason not to comply with the referendum. Finally, there is no such thing as an electoral commission that is "apolitical and independent." Everyone votes and has political views and partisan allegiances. Either members of the commission are voted in directly by the public, in which case they're by definition political figures, or else they're appointed through some process that must ultimately be the product of, and subject to, politics (see also: the courts, civil service positions, etc.) When one of the major parties becomes a corrupt death cult, no electoral commission will be immune from that corruption for very long. The basic idea of vote certification is that you cut out all the extra nonsense and have representatives from both parties vote to confirm the election results. If one side flagrantly cheats, the system will grind to a halt and no one will get elected, which is not what any party wants.... except in the special case of presidential elections, where jamming the system doesn't actually prevent someone from being elected, it merely shifts the voting power to another body.

3) This sounds like a prime minister-type system. Ironically, the Electoral College actually *does* work that way when the system functions as originally intended. Originally, the Electors were supposed to function as full-fledged representatives who would meet and debate and investigate and bargain and compromise until they could settle on a president.

Since ditching the EC is not within reach, let's reallocate how EC votes are tallied. brush Nov 2020 #1
What's required to ditch the EC? Violet_Crumble Nov 2020 #15
A constitutional amendment BainsBane Nov 2020 #28
It was also a sop to southern states who were allowed to count their enslaved people... brush Nov 2020 #34
Why say never treestar Nov 2020 #52
If electoral votes were based on Congressional Districts, Obama and Clinton might have lost onenote Nov 2020 #42
I agreed gerrymandering can be a problem but even that is more fixible than the present... brush Nov 2020 #45
Given the difficulty/impossibility of changing anything laid out by the Constitution HariSeldon Nov 2020 #2
See post 1 and 34. Diluting the power of the small states can be accomplished without... brush Nov 2020 #36
That would have to be fought out in each state HariSeldon Nov 2020 #37
Get rid of touch-screen machines; demand secure verifiable paper trails Blue Owl Nov 2020 #3
This fierywoman Nov 2020 #14
I used a touch screen to vote for the first time this year... Violet_Crumble Nov 2020 #17
Electronic voting eliminates a verifiable election. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2020 #21
How did they verify the vote in the battleground states? Violet_Crumble Nov 2020 #23
Electronics break the chain of custody Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2020 #29
Plus one questionseverything Nov 2020 #51
Eliminate winner take all voting kurtcagle Nov 2020 #4
The danger of going this way is if it's broken down by congressional districts... Salviati Nov 2020 #30
This would have to pass in each legislature HariSeldon Nov 2020 #39
Add 50 electors (one per state) to be given to the candidate who wins the national popular vote Dem2 Nov 2020 #5
Like that idea treestar Nov 2020 #53
Legislators could direct one of the two Senate electors to vote in line with the national vote Dem2 Nov 2020 #55
Public funding for elections, plus ... frazzled Nov 2020 #6
Public funding is an important one... Violet_Crumble Nov 2020 #11
+1 BainsBane Nov 2020 #31
States run their elections but TlalocW Nov 2020 #7
I like your idea! n/t Violet_Crumble Nov 2020 #18
No to mandatory voting. I don't want to give police avenues for harassing citizens Bucky Nov 2020 #8
Police aren't involved when someone doesn't vote... Violet_Crumble Nov 2020 #19
If a court summons is involved, then the police will be involved Bucky Nov 2020 #25
Way back, my husband had an idea about getting people to vote csziggy Nov 2020 #57
You have no idea how mandatory voting acts in pratice canetoad Nov 2020 #33
1. Campaigning limited to the six weeks before election day. meadowlander Nov 2020 #9
I don't know how you enforce the six weeks rule Bucky Nov 2020 #26
In New Zealand, your campaign can't receive donations more than nine weeks before election day. meadowlander Nov 2020 #32
There is a pact in western states about sending EC votes... RainCaster Nov 2020 #10
I just have a sense that idea can end up backfiring Bucky Nov 2020 #27
And the first time treestar Nov 2020 #56
The pact is probably unconstitutional without congressional approval. marie999 Nov 2020 #54
Rotate the first states to primary RainCaster Nov 2020 #12
I don't understand the purpost of primaries... Violet_Crumble Nov 2020 #24
Well... Azathoth Nov 2020 #13
Hand counted paper ballots,tight chain of custody in counting and reporting questionseverything Nov 2020 #16
+1, Rudy's buddies proved "dark money" in campaigns caught after the fact is meaningless ... uponit7771 Nov 2020 #40
Would 1. require a Constitutional Amendment? Polybius Nov 2020 #20
Not sure at all. All it took here was a private members bill*... Violet_Crumble Nov 2020 #22
Back in the 1990s days of European soccer violence canetoad Nov 2020 #35
BRING BACK THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT !!! uponit7771 Nov 2020 #38
Since we don't count the popular vote for President, and only count Electoral votes.... kentuck Nov 2020 #41
Change a few rules DFW Nov 2020 #43
Do away with the Electoral College. Person COLGATE4 Nov 2020 #44
I'm good with your #2. I don't really get your #3, and I vote a big 'NO' on #1. Captain Stern Nov 2020 #46
Michigan secession and confederation with Canada. roamer65 Nov 2020 #47
1. Appoint non-partisan, non-party affiliate officials to oversee the electoral process from... Yavin4 Nov 2020 #48
In tossup states i'd like to see a $50 vote card given to everyone that voted, BUT bluestarone Nov 2020 #49
The electoral college is a fundamental flaw in our democracy Yeehah Nov 2020 #50
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