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In reply to the discussion: Know the FACTS: Simpson-Bowles only calls for tiny cuts to Social Security [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)33. Which Dems? Which
"If they agree to lift the cap, Dems will agree to raise the age just watch!"
...Democrats will agree? Obama can't change Social Security on his own, so which Democrats are going to vote for this?
Do Not Cut Social Security
September 20, 2012
A major bloc of 29 senators took a strong stand today against any cuts to Social Security as part of a deficit reduction deal. "We will oppose including Social Security cuts for future or current beneficiaries in any deficit reduction package," the senators said in a letter circulated by Sen. Bernie Sanders, the founder of the Senate Defending Social Security Caucus. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Sen. Charles Schumer, the Senate's No. 3 leader, signed the letter. So did Sens. Mark Begich, Sheldon Whitehouse and Al Franken, who joined Sanders at a Capitol news conference.
Social Security has not contributed to the deficit or to the national debt, the senators said. The program that benefits more than 50 million retirees, widows, widowers, orphans and disabled Americans has a $2.7 trillion surplus and, according to actuaries, will be able to pay every benefit owed to every eligible recipient for the next 21 years.
"Contrary to some claims, Social Security is not the cause of our nation's deficit problem. Not only does the program operate independently, but it is prohibited from borrowing," the letter said. "Even though Social Security operates in a fiscally responsible manner, some still advocate deep benefit cuts and seem convinced that Social Security hands out lavish welfare checks. But Social Security is not welfare. Seniors earned their benefits by working and paying into the system," the letter added.
Social Security has not contributed to deficits because it has a dedicated funding stream. Workers and employers each pay half of a 12.4 percent payroll tax on the first $110,100 of a worker's wages. The tax rate for employees was reduced to 4.2 percent in 2011 and 2012, but is scheduled to return to 6.2 percent in January.
To read the letter, click here »
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=066FB085-5798-4E6C-ABA2-85549D84DFA6
September 20, 2012
A major bloc of 29 senators took a strong stand today against any cuts to Social Security as part of a deficit reduction deal. "We will oppose including Social Security cuts for future or current beneficiaries in any deficit reduction package," the senators said in a letter circulated by Sen. Bernie Sanders, the founder of the Senate Defending Social Security Caucus. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Sen. Charles Schumer, the Senate's No. 3 leader, signed the letter. So did Sens. Mark Begich, Sheldon Whitehouse and Al Franken, who joined Sanders at a Capitol news conference.
Social Security has not contributed to the deficit or to the national debt, the senators said. The program that benefits more than 50 million retirees, widows, widowers, orphans and disabled Americans has a $2.7 trillion surplus and, according to actuaries, will be able to pay every benefit owed to every eligible recipient for the next 21 years.
"Contrary to some claims, Social Security is not the cause of our nation's deficit problem. Not only does the program operate independently, but it is prohibited from borrowing," the letter said. "Even though Social Security operates in a fiscally responsible manner, some still advocate deep benefit cuts and seem convinced that Social Security hands out lavish welfare checks. But Social Security is not welfare. Seniors earned their benefits by working and paying into the system," the letter added.
Social Security has not contributed to deficits because it has a dedicated funding stream. Workers and employers each pay half of a 12.4 percent payroll tax on the first $110,100 of a worker's wages. The tax rate for employees was reduced to 4.2 percent in 2011 and 2012, but is scheduled to return to 6.2 percent in January.
To read the letter, click here »
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=066FB085-5798-4E6C-ABA2-85549D84DFA6
When I see a letter signed by everyone from Harry Reid to Carl Levin to Joe Manchin, I'm thinking nothing is going to happen. Eleven more Senators and that's a filibuster. President Obama cannot change Social Security singlehandedly. That change would have to go through Congress. I doubt there are going to be Democrats, especially those up for re-election in 2014, who are going to put their careers on line.
Paul Ryan's reception by the AARP should be an indication that Social Security is still a political third rail.
Signatories:
Sens. Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), Tim Johnson (D-S.D.), John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), Tom Udall (D-N.M.), Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.)
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Know the FACTS: Simpson-Bowles only calls for tiny cuts to Social Security [View all]
MannyGoldstein
Oct 2012
OP
I'd say two dozen *at most* are peddling and/or buying into the bullshit...
WorseBeforeBetter
Oct 2012
#104
I heard it from President Obama in a clip on the TV, you believe what you want.
A Simple Game
Oct 2012
#124
you need to cut and paste the faces of the elderly and put that on the can with a saying something
leftyohiolib
Oct 2012
#57
"the administration will not accept an approach that slashes benefits for future generations."
ProSense
Oct 2012
#20
Yes...it's working for those it serves....and the devil is in those details and weeds
KoKo
Oct 2012
#108
"Buy Low and Sell High" but, how many of those getting in do their research on markets
KoKo
Oct 2012
#109
Your example works great if the country's economy is growing enough, but it no longer is.
jtuck004
Oct 2012
#125
People who've lost jobs or houses were underwater, with unemployed kids are withdrawing
KoKo
Oct 2012
#76
Actually if it were not for immigration the US population would be stable or shrinking
Fumesucker
Oct 2012
#90
The Reason that I support Obama is that I think he allowed the Banksters to Reign
KoKo
Oct 2012
#112
Older Americans are currently underrepresented in that socioeconomic group
MannyGoldstein
Oct 2012
#23
I live in an inner city area and see a small, but growing number of elderly women among the homeless
JDPriestly
Oct 2012
#44
We need to flip the argument around... raising the cap on SS taxes won't be very much...
reformist2
Oct 2012
#15
Clinton said it to Ryan the other day, Obama is ready to deal on SS and other entitlements!
Dustlawyer
Oct 2012
#29
Maybe that's the best wording he could get a large group of Senators to agree to. nt
MannyGoldstein
Oct 2012
#61
You're seeing a letter signed by many people who are running for reelection.
uberblonde
Oct 2012
#131
I hope you are right! There is a lot of money in play and Clinton did say it. They will not stop
Dustlawyer
Oct 2012
#165
If we just learn to adjust our wages, using the Hedonic Index, the way they adjust the CPI....
Fuddnik
Oct 2012
#30
K&R. Kids. Think of it. Your generation gets to return to the real conservative, traditional
JDPriestly
Oct 2012
#39
Productivity increases over last 3 decades show avg wage should be approx. 90k$$ A YEAR..........
kooljerk666
Oct 2012
#63
The decimation of working class wages is the major problem with the whole economy!
LongTomH
Oct 2012
#67
Know the facts: Simpson-Bowles does not include Soc. Sec. as part of its deficit reduction plan
frazzled
Oct 2012
#51
No, he's blaming Dems for inadequate defense against what Repukes are doing n/t
eridani
Oct 2012
#161
Here it comes ... absolutely, definitely any second now .... wait for it ... wait for it ...
JoePhilly
Oct 2012
#72
Yes, the part about SS not being included in the hypothetical computations.
AtomicKitten
Oct 2012
#89
Thankfully all I have heard from the Pres. is that he wants to strenghtnen SS.
raouldukelives
Oct 2012
#64
I'll dedicate my life to making the name of the President responsible the
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2012
#79
Yep and with gas approaching $5 a gallon, we won't miss those little cuts at all.
Cleita
Oct 2012
#98
The commission's plan calls for a 22% lifetime cut for middle-income earners
MannyGoldstein
Oct 2012
#113
Just like our "leadership" to call SS and Medicare "entitlements" 4 weeks from the election
Doctor_J
Oct 2012
#171