Manchin and Sinema are not centrist.

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25. No, Hillary is not "centrist." She's MODERATE LIBERAL, well left of center.

Centrist is Kool-Aid dishonest and Kool-Aid slur. Here's a govtrack.us graph showing HRC's ideological and leadership rating while U.S. senator (she's the purple dot in the upper middle of the left):

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/hillary_clinton/300022

But honest Democrats know her from her very liberal and very ambitiously progressive platform also.

Btw, there's a deceitful effort by deceivers to portray the relatively few people on the IL-liberal left as "liberal" and/or "progressive," setting the stage to portray everyone else (80 million 2020 voters!) as progressively less so, until most liberals are misidentified as ideologically "centrist" or "moderates," neither good liberal fish nor conservative fowl.

A simple way to identify IL-liberal left activists is by behaviors:

* They actively oppose (not just disagree with) those 80 million liberal progressive voters,

* even over and above Republicans (this is a strong identifier, who are they constantly acting against?),

* even to the point of being willing to steal elections to win (most are anti-democratic because they're both too radically righteous to properly evaluate what's right and wrong and too few to win elections)

* even to the point of throwing progressivism to the Republican wolves while trying to defeat Democrats.

* If someone claims to be more liberal than Democrats but behavior sometimes makes you think of trumpists, ("Lock her up!" "Democrats are corrupt corporatists!" "We're going to primary vulnerable Democratic senators.&quot think the IL-liberal left.