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116. Carville IS talking about winning. "Keep your eyes on the prize." nt

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James Carville is on tv again warning Dems not to alienate moderate voters by being too woke [View all] StarfishSaver Apr 2021 OP

Very annoying. There is no need for him to be so dismissive and spooky3 Apr 2021 #1

He's not interested in appealing to more voters StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #4

Maybe to appeal to dumb white voters. I think he's forgetting the spooky3 Apr 2021 #7

Yep, he was quiet all during the Trump years. PurgedVoter Apr 2021 #20

Obama said something important one time when I leftyladyfrommo Apr 2021 #76

That's not the same thing as Carville is saying StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #77

Carville IS talking about winning. "Keep your eyes on the prize." nt Hortensis Apr 2021 #116

He's talking about winning by making some of us stop talking about certain principles in order StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #118

You don't "win" by telling people to stop using terms black people appropriated 100 yrs ago, that's uponit7771 Apr 2021 #142

Are people even thinking instead of just reacting Hortensis Apr 2021 #145

... and not everyone is saying everything is about racism. Telling people to stop using words black uponit7771 Apr 2021 #147

Try telling that to the many thousands who shifted their votes Hortensis Apr 2021 #151

Biden won the election last year uponit7771 Apr 2021 #152

Right. nt Hortensis Apr 2021 #153

By not appropriating the oppositions framing on anything including outgroup words. Right? uponit7771 Apr 2021 #155

If these voters shifted their vote because of a slogan, we need to adjust our lingo StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #154

+10000!! SS, we're so screwed that we don't to talk to groups of humans. There's science behind uponit7771 Apr 2021 #157

Well, we're not talking about informed or Hortensis Apr 2021 #158

I liked James better when Tucker still... JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #2

I took it to mean, too academic? mzmolly Apr 2021 #3

That's not what he said and that's not what he meant StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #6

If that's the case his comments were well over mzmolly Apr 2021 #9

Exactly - and especially since he's lecturing Democrats about the language we use StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #12

I'm glad Joe isn't mzmolly Apr 2021 #15

RIGHT !! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #57

Yes in a way. What he is trying to say is quit using new fangled phrases Bev54 Apr 2021 #18

No, that's not what he's saying StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #21

Woke is exactly it Bev54 Apr 2021 #31

Most white people maybe. /nt tonedevil Apr 2021 #41

Black people have been using woke for nearly 100 years, we didn't use it as a political term uponit7771 Apr 2021 #42

Slaves used to tell each other to "stay woke." joetheman Apr 2021 #65

Because the Ragin Cajun is such a devotee of the King's English StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #68

Yes but have they also used defund police and socialism? Bev54 Apr 2021 #90

Wokeness is not a slogan StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #94

What I am trying to say is we all have language in our own Bev54 Apr 2021 #98

The problem is that only Black and Brown people and our allies have our language policed this way StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #101

I am not doubling down. I think he was inarticulate in what he said Bev54 Apr 2021 #102

Do you have any polls that indicated these words hurt dems down ballot? I'm asking because uponit7771 Apr 2021 #105

No I don't have any polls at my fingertips and I am not going to go search for them Bev54 Apr 2021 #107

thx, I know there aren't any so there's no data to back up the notion that slogans beat us uponit7771 Apr 2021 #108

You wanted polls and articles here are just a few. Bev54 Apr 2021 #159

Those aren't polls of how the slogan affected votes just whether or not they were popular uponit7771 Apr 2021 #163

The Law and Order Election LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #167

Agreed. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #129

Woke was never a platitude for black people, we never asked white people to use it and black people uponit7771 Apr 2021 #103

+1,000,000 StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #109

And unfortunately it works. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #130

Does Biden hates meat work? thx in advance uponit7771 Apr 2021 #136

Probably less effective. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #138

The correct answer is hell naw because the people who believe that stupid shit aren't reachable uponit7771 Apr 2021 #140

Yeah but this isn't about behavior science... Caliman73 Apr 2021 #143

IT IS !! Omg I couldn't disagree more. You don't throw gasoline on people and expect them to uponit7771 Apr 2021 #146

Okay? Caliman73 Apr 2021 #148

This: StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #149

Yes he is krawhitham Apr 2021 #161

This is exactly what I heard him say. The very words. Hekate May 2021 #168

I agree mzmolly Apr 2021 #22

Funny how he's using confusing and misleading language to lecture us a out our language StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #23

I hope that's not so. mzmolly Apr 2021 #25

No he is not, he is talking strictly about messaging Bev54 Apr 2021 #33

Better to use the language of Wypipo. tonedevil Apr 2021 #37

So black people should use terms white people understand to convey a message ?! REALLY ?! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #43

If they're trying to communicate with White people Mossfern Apr 2021 #54

Maybe white people should try harder to understand what they're being told StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #55

You're missing the point Mossfern Apr 2021 #131

"hostility" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #133

Well, Mossfern Apr 2021 #139

The question was rhetorical, if people don't WANT to understand a message they focus on ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #56

I don't even know what you mean by that Bev54 Apr 2021 #89

Woke in this context was appropriated by black people nearly 100 years ago some white people uponit7771 Apr 2021 #91

Not just telling them not to use the word StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #97

+1, I don't get it with some people seeing we should go after the suppressed and non voter vs ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #100

If he were just talking about messaging, why talk about "wokeness" at all StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Mossfern Apr 2021 #53

"circle round" "no worries" :) Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #62

Like "kudos" mzmolly Apr 2021 #67

Exactly - it's not about being "woke" but vocabulary. Duppers Apr 2021 #35

Don't you find it interesting that then man who's lecturing us about our vocabulary StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #46

100% agree too. Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #61

Also agree completely. That's what people who genuinely want Hortensis Apr 2021 #113

Lol! StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #115

"Keep your eyes on the prize." Carville's not your enemy. Hortensis Apr 2021 #117

You're also not a victim here, so please stop pretending you are StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #119

Yes, actually I am. You really should know that. nt Hortensis Apr 2021 #120

Yes. I guess I should know by now you would think that. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #125

Lol, I did know you would deny my problems with equality. Hortensis Apr 2021 #126

THe Faculty Lounge language Claire Oh Nette Apr 2021 #28

That is exactly correct. Bev54 Apr 2021 #34

What is "the language of Wokeness"? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #47

THank you for your analysis. Claire Oh Nette Apr 2021 #106

That mzmolly Apr 2021 #70

He should use different terminology to tell people they should use different terminology? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #73

Yes. mzmolly Apr 2021 #81

I don't think you realize what you're aaying StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #82

I do. mzmolly Apr 2021 #83

You still don't seem to get it StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #88

I'm not defending it. mzmolly Apr 2021 #92

"Justice and equality" are discussed ALL the time StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #95

He's not offended. mzmolly Apr 2021 #96

If this is just about "lingo" why is he talking about "wokeness" at all? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #99

It's a matter of how he defines mzmolly Apr 2021 #104

It's not up to him to define it StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #110

I just watched him Deuxcents Apr 2021 #5

I liked carville better dweller Apr 2021 #8

Not this crap again..... Champion Jack Apr 2021 #10

Yup. Carvilles's spewing this crap again StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #13

This aint the 1990's Jimbo. BootinUp Apr 2021 #11

Brian Williams eats that shit up tishaLA Apr 2021 #14

Yeah well fuck that kind of coded racism ismnotwasm Apr 2021 #16

Do we need to be more "rural" and less "urban" Jimbo? johnp3907 Apr 2021 #17

Carville apparently didn't get the memo that Pragmatic Incrementalism has been cancelled. Nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #19

Hate To Break It To Carville WHITT Apr 2021 #24

even worse, when he says he doesn't know a single person of colour who has ever used that term Celerity Apr 2021 #29

RIGHT !! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #45

Glad to have the Carvilles in the Party. He's not always right, gaffes a lot, Hoyt Apr 2021 #26

Carville is looking at the US Senate. Bucky Apr 2021 #51

I did hear him say that Dems can be condescending. That was news to me tulipsandroses Apr 2021 #27

Exactly o matter what we say, they will twist it into something else StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #48

I think he wants to have a grown up, respectful conversation with conservatives Bucky Apr 2021 #52

+1, this is my impression too; he thinks they're reachable republicans instead of getting the uponit7771 Apr 2021 #59

Never been a big fan of Carville.. msfiddlestix Apr 2021 #30

That may be all you heard, but that's not all he said StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #49

I didn't intend to suggest what I wrote was all I heard... msfiddlestix Apr 2021 #63

It's interesting that people are going through so much effort interpreting what he said StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #66

You've asserted intentions in my words and intentions which are simply not true. msfiddlestix Apr 2021 #78

I know nothing about your intentions and haven't inferred or suggested what they may be StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #85

"Woke" is generously defined by those who consider themselves it Sympthsical Apr 2021 #32

Amen! Mossfern Apr 2021 #137

Very well stated. misanthrope Apr 2021 #160

I will absolutely steal that Sympthsical Apr 2021 #165

Well mzmolly Apr 2021 #162

Dixie-Dem speaking from the past. n/t King_Klonopin Apr 2021 #36

carville -- ugh. and (imo) he's been out of touch for years orleans Apr 2021 #38

Really not super interested in the opinion of someone ibegurpard Apr 2021 #39

The most interesting thing he said Sgent Apr 2021 #40

This 10,000 % msfiddlestix Apr 2021 #64

That was stunning. mzmolly Apr 2021 #84

If he were really concerned about "wokeness" he would work against... JHB Apr 2021 #50

I don't see a problem. Maxheader Apr 2021 #58

Except that's not even close to what he's saying StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #60

Well maybe I didn't understand what he said relative to the op? Maxheader Apr 2021 #164

DU experts acting like they know more than carville! Nt USALiberal Apr 2021 #69

There are obviously quite a few people here who know far more a out being "woke" than Carville does StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #72

Agree. And sounds like more than Sharpton, Plouffe, Obama too. They Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #75

Where did this word "woke" even come from? gulliver Apr 2021 #71

Woke has been around for decades. It's not a new term StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #74

Unlike the other words, "woke" seems to imply that some people are "un-woke" gulliver Apr 2021 #79

Some people ARE unwoke StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #80

Like Sharpton this am!!! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #86

Fuck him. How is he still a thing? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2021 #87

He's a hired gun, always looking out for his next gig, Lars39 Apr 2021 #93

Rev Al agrees with Carville LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #111

I don't. johnp3907 Apr 2021 #112

And he's Black, so StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #114

It means this issue is not as slam dunk as you seem to think.. honest.abe Apr 2021 #121

Some people don't agree with me about something we're discussing on a discussion board? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #122

So stop insulting us for not completely agreeing with you. honest.abe Apr 2021 #127

Your tendency to feel insulted is a reflection of something but utterly unrelated to me StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #128

You are essentially calling Carville a closet racist and not caring about racial issues. honest.abe Apr 2021 #132

Lol. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #134

So the insults continue.. honest.abe Apr 2021 #135

Indicating someone's not aware and calling them a closet racist are two different things and I think uponit7771 Apr 2021 #144

No, I defer to Rev. Al because he has worked on campaigns in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #150

Being Woke is better than being weak. By far. n/t librechik Apr 2021 #123

Maybe. But some white people don't like it so shhhhhh StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #124

Should we also get off his lawn? Generic Brad Apr 2021 #141

Reminds me of the handwringing over gay rights some years ago. yardwork Apr 2021 #156

Who? MrsCoffee Apr 2021 #166