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H2O Man

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Sun May 30, 2021, 01:52 PM
May 2021

Interesting question, with some very good responses. So thank you for asking something that a lot of people think about, perhaps more frequently in the last few years. By no coincidence, it is something my brother and I talk about quite a bit -- he works at a west coast university, where the same question is frequently debated.

In my opinion -- which is of no more value than anyone else's, and less value than some others -- "modern man" is a failing species, heading to join ranks with the majority of species on earth that have become extinct. But, as others here have noted, that does not equal our being a mistake.

Although our interpretation of the fossil record has to be understood to be in the context of "incomplete," although advancing as more new fossils are found and thus expanding our insights on human evolution, some things are known for sure. I think that we can compare the length of time two of our extended family walked the earth is worthy of consideration. Let's take a brief look, rather than my usual long and tedious rants!

Homo erectus has been documented as living on a significant area of the earth for about two million years, the longest of the Homo species. There are at least ten sub-species of Homo erectus, with zero evidence of warfare between them. Their culture was relatively advanced, and included art.

Neanderthals lived on earth for about a half-million years. I assume that people here are somewhat- to fairly familiar with Neanderthals, so I won't go into detail here.

Modern human beings have walked the earth for about 300,000 years. The first 290,000 seemed to have gone fairly well, in terms of our living in harmony with a sometimes dangerous, sometimes pleasant environment. Then things slowly began to change, with the changes gathering momentum. Our relationship with the living environment became very different in modern times, perhaps especially so as a result of the industrial revolution. But I keep in mind Carl Sagan's view that the bibical "fall from grace" is a description of the evolution of our frontal lobes (which made child birth more painful, speaking of that Good Book).

While I agree completely with the comments in the OP/thread about the savage nature of a large percentage of human-kind, I think the greatest threat to our future as a species is tied directly to our destruction of the environment. We have a mistaken view of our relationship to the earth -- believing it exists soley for our human purposes -- when, in fact, all of organic life on earth, including every extinct and living form of life, exists only and entirely for the earth's purposes.

I will end with this song:





Possibly. cilla4progress May 2021 #1
No. I'll try to watch it. Cyrano May 2021 #6
Thanksfor posting this. It's a zentrum May 2021 #2
No, it's not really a good question. Evolution has no intelligence and doesn't make "mistakes". Towlie May 2021 #43
There are no mistakes in evolution, because there's no right or wrong in it Silent3 May 2021 #3
Thank you for your certitude. Wish I was sure of anything. Cyrano May 2021 #8
Evolution has no direction. Happy Hoosier May 2021 #25
If it's any consolation, realize that humans are also the best chance of life escaping doom... Silent3 May 2021 #36
Thank you! LostOne4Ever May 2021 #14
Facts.. such a pesky thing! You are so right PortTack May 2021 #27
Last gasps of libertarian extremism Aldemelod May 2021 #4
Did you say "Darwinism"? And do you call gravity "Newtonism"? Do you call relativity "Einsteinism"? Towlie May 2021 #46
Evolution doesn't make "mistakes". It's a random process without a goal or design. muriel_volestrangler May 2021 #5
That's pretty much it. Captain Stern May 2021 #24
I refer to us John Ludi May 2021 #7
Not an evolutionary surprise.... Thunderbeast May 2021 #9
Just FYI, our brainstem is neither vestigial, nor does it play a role in our behavior. Crunchy Frog May 2021 #49
We are little more than apes with guns Ponietz May 2021 #10
Makes one wonder about the nature of evolution Cyrano May 2021 #13
Humans stopped their evolutionary process centuries ago PortTack May 2021 #28
No it doesn't. nt Crunchy Frog May 2021 #50
Humans become aggressive and homicidal under conditions of scarcity. Civilization manufactures Gaugamela May 2021 #11
Civilization developed in response to scarcity. Happy Hoosier May 2021 #26
You make a good point. Perhaps I should have used the word "poverty" instead of scarcity. Gaugamela May 2021 #35
There are no mistakes in evolution. It just happens. Ocelot II May 2021 #12
Strange logic in OP SCantiGOP May 2021 #15
Evolution is not a person LostOne4Ever May 2021 #16
The human animal has been the same for much longer than the human mind. taxi May 2021 #17
Precisely Zambero May 2021 #18
On that note, there's a pretty cool book called "After Man - A Zoology Of The Future" hatrack May 2021 #19
My microbiology professor used to say the bacteria, viruses and many of the hosts they depend PortTack May 2021 #29
It's a feature, not a bug. Klaralven May 2021 #20
We're Apes. Murder is a feature. maxsolomon May 2021 #21
We are not. Dawson Leery May 2021 #22
Chimpanzees kill others who are members of "outgroups" in a similar way to humans. Presumably Crunchy Frog May 2021 #23
Being over successful evolution-wise will be our downfall. ananda May 2021 #30
Yeast always either consumes all the sugar or excretes enough alcohol to kill itself Klaralven May 2021 #31
Good analogy. ananda May 2021 #53
Recommended. H2O Man May 2021 #32
Some of the key developments were stone choppers, fire, clothing and agriculture Klaralven May 2021 #44
Absolutely right! H2O Man May 2021 #48
Human intelligence makes us more dangerous, but... Buckeye_Democrat May 2021 #33
There's no plan, so there's no mistake. Iggo May 2021 #34
We aren't the only species that murder each other though Marrah_Goodman May 2021 #37
I only feel that way about spiders Generic Brad May 2021 #38
Yes, and we are doomed to extinction, ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2021 #39
Next time you catch yourself thinking this... lame54 May 2021 #40
hundreds of millions, or perhaps either billions of other species that inhabit our galaxy. Earth-shine May 2021 #41
If there is 1 intelligent life form in each galaxy marie999 May 2021 #42
I've long entertained this concept. Emrys May 2021 #47
You need to do way more research on this topic. Google anything! USALiberal May 2021 #45
We are but chimpanzees with guns HAB911 May 2021 #51
Evolution, as people here have said, just is. Greybnk48 May 2021 #52
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