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frazzled

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3. Yes, as long as it doesn't lead to a slippery slope
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 11:29 AM
Aug 2021

Raising rates on the unvaccinated seems wholly justifiable in the context of the pandemic (and the illogical, often politically motivated obstinacy of the vaccine haters). But it could be a slippery slope to what is known as "risk selection"--that is, raising rates on people with illness, even if through no fault of their own. We went through this before with the ACA wars, and thank the lord that denying insurance or charging higher rates for pre-existing conditions was banned. But laws are not forever things, and I fear that insurers might use this as a precedent to start all kinds of cost-saving tactics or to lobby for changes. If we allow rate hikes for being unvaccinated, and they can successfully argue that being unvaccinated is a pre-existing condition, it could open a floodgate. With the current Supreme Court, I wouldn't trust the outcome.

So if you are a breast cancer survivor with risk of future metastasis, or a diabetic who didn't get the proper medication or treatment, or etc. etc., could this become a slippery slope back into the old days?

So while I'd love to say "absolutely," I have some reservations about the implications for the future, and for the rest of us.

I agree but... JT45242 Aug 2021 #1
It isn't that it is a pre-existing condition - Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #9
Being unvaccinated is not a health condition. ShazzieB Aug 2021 #36
It doesn't matter what you believe - Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #40
Agree. But that sets precedent for charging people more for weight, alcohol, not exercising, etc. Hoyt Aug 2021 #2
Yes, as long as it doesn't lead to a slippery slope frazzled Aug 2021 #3
Employer-based health plans governed by the ACA can impose surcharges Ocelot II Aug 2021 #4
Agreed. Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #8
LOLOL! ShazzieB Aug 2021 #37
Health insurance should have a "points" system like auto insurance Klaralven Aug 2021 #5
No it's a slippery and steep slope (n/t) luv2fly Aug 2021 #6
It's a slope that banned from existing fescuerescue Aug 2021 #25
Under the PPACA, employers cannot do that. Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #7
Is the choice not to receive a vaccine a condition? Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2021 #10
In general, there are ony 5 reasons for disparate charges Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #12
refusing a vaccination is in the same boat as smoking.... groundloop Aug 2021 #27
The category is smoking, not "personal choice to put your own well being at risk" Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #28
Won't get far in court fescuerescue Aug 2021 #15
Why, after battling for years sarisataka Aug 2021 #11
Exactly. This is exactly one of the changes to ACA that the Republicans tried to pass fescuerescue Aug 2021 #14
+1 demmiblue Aug 2021 #18
+1 leftstreet Aug 2021 #26
They can't. That is illegal fescuerescue Aug 2021 #13
I hear what you are saying. Here is my thought. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2021 #16
Any law can be changed fescuerescue Aug 2021 #24
Being unvaccinated is not a preexisting condition Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2021 #38
"pre-existing condition" is just a colloquial shorthand fescuerescue Aug 2021 #42
Do you have anything to back it up? LiberalFighter Aug 2021 #21
Yes. It's all here. fescuerescue Aug 2021 #23
I agree with the idea in principle, but what would follow would be horrible. Coventina Aug 2021 #17
They already do for some. LiberalFighter Aug 2021 #20
Vaccinated should not pay for the stupidity of others. LiberalFighter Aug 2021 #19
Cigarette smokers already pay an insurance surcharge for their future likelihood of disease... Hekate Aug 2021 #22
Unvaccinated people will cost insurance companies more ripcord Aug 2021 #29
It's not like asking people to give up fritos and cupcakes for life Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2021 #39
Mine does for smokers UTUSN Aug 2021 #30
No but conditional on giving them a choice between the ACA, or financial ruin. denbot Aug 2021 #31
Not an issue at my company. GulfCoast66 Aug 2021 #32
Good company you work for. Elessar Zappa Aug 2021 #33
Voted yes, my job is making everybody anyways... RANDYWILDMAN Aug 2021 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2021 #35
I'm generally against any moves to make healthcare less accessible Sapient Donkey Aug 2021 #41
I don't think they're allowed to based on ACA law ecstatic Aug 2021 #43
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