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Hekate

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74. Political assassination is a special crime because it disrupts the course of government & replaces i
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 02:15 PM
Aug 2021

… with violence. We see this in Mexico and all over South America, where mayors and judges dare not pursue their callings honestly against the cartels or the government lest they join myriads of their fellows in the grave.

We thought we were better than that. We thought we were different. Political assassination was a once in a generation event, so I thought when I was 16 and shattered by the assassination of Bobby’s older brother Jack.

I don’t know when it finally dawned on me that maybe we aren’t better than that any more. But I will tell you this: the insurrection of 1/6/21 is the far end of an arc that started in the Civil War, carried forward by people who believe violence is the answer. Those who assassinated the Kennedy brothers are only markers on that bloody arc.

Political assassination doesn’t just bereave a family: it kills a culture. Them’s the rules.




From the sane Kennedys [View all] bigtree Aug 2021 OP
Even the wise cannot see all ends. WheelWalker Aug 2021 #1
What is the wise course that the prescient amongst us should be seeking? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2021 #5
Well, Gandalf, this little Gollum has been prevented from further murders by watchful elves... Hekate Aug 2021 #75
Sirhan has shown no remorse, pretends he doesn't remember the incident. Irish_Dem Aug 2021 #2
The same as any other murderer in CA who has no remorse. former9thward Aug 2021 #31
Because this one is different Leith Aug 2021 #40
Murder in the "heat of passion" is not murder. former9thward Aug 2021 #44
"No one"? The families of the dead remember & "complain" -- some attend every Parole Board mtng Hekate Aug 2021 #54
They would only be the same if they killed someone with same prominence and importance as RFK. honest.abe Aug 2021 #111
So if you are not "important" then it matters not if you are murdered. former9thward Aug 2021 #115
There are degrees or murder.. this one is beyond 1st degree. honest.abe Aug 2021 #121
In your view. former9thward Aug 2021 #122
Parole isn't automatic. honest.abe Aug 2021 #123
assassination isn't mere murder dsc Aug 2021 #116
You are wrong. former9thward Aug 2021 #118
Please give some links to proof of that claim, which you repeat throughout this thread.. Hekate Aug 2021 #131
You want me to link to the transcripts of every parole hearing in CA. former9thward Aug 2021 #136
Statistics. State report. Investigative reporting by the SacBee or LA Times. You know... Hekate Aug 2021 #138
I am a criminal attorney who practices in the real world. former9thward Aug 2021 #139
Easy solution. Life sentence with no parole for 1st degree murder. Devil Child Aug 2021 #124
According to WaPo, he is remorseful and has been eligible for release since 1975. intheflow Aug 2021 #55
I read that this time he did show remorse. If it was my parent that he killed Maraya1969 Aug 2021 #76
BS. "if it was my parent that he killed" rockfordfile Aug 2021 #93
Orwell said "Some ideas are so stupid only an intellectual could believe them." DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2021 #3
Agreed. The little fckr got what he wanted: he changed the world. nt Hekate Aug 2021 #60
Perfect quote for this madness n/t Devil Child Aug 2021 #125
K&R spanone Aug 2021 #4
Sirhan Sirhan should never get out. Haggard Celine Aug 2021 #6
Indeed, when I think of liberalhistorian Aug 2021 #130
We are all still suffering from the damage he caused. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #153
I remember that morning mgardener Aug 2021 #7
So do I. The only reason I didn't know in real time was my transistor radio gave out... Hekate Aug 2021 #71
Me, too! ShazzieB Aug 2021 #91
I turned 18 in '71. Of course I voted, but was disappointed that... electric_blue68 Aug 2021 #128
Being in NYC (and still so), and a HS Junior in '68, I was marched off to bed... electric_blue68 Aug 2021 #127
I stand with them. Tomconroy Aug 2021 #8
So do I. Firmly with them. calimary Aug 2021 #23
I was totally shocked with the news. ashredux Aug 2021 #9
He killed a great man SCantiGOP Aug 2021 #11
Yes OverBurn Aug 2021 #84
RFK would not have received the nomination Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2021 #147
I do not agree. True Blue American Aug 2021 #149
That's your opinion SCantiGOP Aug 2021 #150
The only way Traildogbob Aug 2021 #10
I read somewhere else that this letter was not actually written by the Kennedy but instead by Escurumbele Aug 2021 #12
RFK had 9 children treestar Aug 2021 #17
I'm thinking RFK, Jr.'s cheese has taken a slide off his cracker! SunnyATT Aug 2021 #19
It has. Off the cracker, bounced on the chair, rolled onto the floor and under the refrigerator... NurseJackie Aug 2021 #27
LOL. secondwind Aug 2021 #65
Is he the one that's anti vax? BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #72
Yes. RFK, Jr. is an anti-vax idiot. NurseJackie Aug 2021 #78
He probably watches too much Ancient Aliens and Oliver Stone movies... LeftInTX Aug 2021 #80
Eleven children. H2O Man Aug 2021 #34
He had 11 kids. ShazzieB Aug 2021 #97
It appears to be on the Twitter page TNNurse Aug 2021 #26
Rory says right there in the tweet that it's a statement from her family. ShazzieB Aug 2021 #100
WTF? time for the names of the incompetents putting this forward bringthePaine Aug 2021 #13
Some people, like memories, are best kept locked away never NoMoreRepugs Aug 2021 #14
Thank you for this post..... Upthevibe Aug 2021 #15
Thank you for this. Those (inexplicably) supporting Sirhan's parole here keep citing RFK JR hlthe2b Aug 2021 #16
+1 moondust Aug 2021 #21
Just a correction, Rory is the youngest Kennedy, she was born 6 months after RFK's assassination. dflprincess Aug 2021 #119
Yes...I meant the youngest boy (Douglas)... hlthe2b Aug 2021 #120
That it was a Kennedy is irrelevant luv2fly Aug 2021 #18
Political assassination stillcool Aug 2021 #42
A human being... ONE human being luv2fly Aug 2021 #50
Political assassination is a special crime because it disrupts the course of government & replaces i Hekate Aug 2021 #74
+1 honest.abe Aug 2021 #112
He robbed rhe voters of the chance to vote for the candidate of their choice DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2021 #85
nice bedtime story stillcool Aug 2021 #109
Bobby WAS very relevant. Boomerproud Aug 2021 #89
You made my other point, thanks luv2fly Aug 2021 #90
IMO: He's why we Nixon, Raygun, Bush, Bush & TFG. Never less SS out. rickyhall Aug 2021 #20
Agreement marieo1 Aug 2021 #22
I think whether he is a threat is irrelevant. TNNurse Aug 2021 #24
Mercy nvme Aug 2021 #25
We spared his life...he has no rights any longer. It was a cold blooded murder in plain site. ashredux Aug 2021 #28
So we should have no parole? former9thward Aug 2021 #35
We currently have people in jail who aren't able to be paroled. A real life sentence. ashredux Aug 2021 #36
Sirhan is not in that category. former9thward Aug 2021 #37
How old are you? Were you around when he got shot? Do you understand what it meant to our nation? ashredux Aug 2021 #38
None of those things are factors in parole. former9thward Aug 2021 #41
One, you did not answer my question. How old are you? ashredux Aug 2021 #45
I was alive when RFK was shot and I agree with the poster you're replying to. intheflow Aug 2021 #63
Fair justice is keeping him in prison. ashredux Aug 2021 #66
First of all, Charles Manson is dead, he died in 2017. intheflow Aug 2021 #70
This is really useless. He's not getting out of prison. ashredux Aug 2021 #73
When it had/has incalculable ripple effects for the USA, and the World - yes electric_blue68 Aug 2021 #129
Granting parole is discretionary Mysterian Aug 2021 #48
And they have been in this case. former9thward Aug 2021 #61
What is your evidence that anyone objects for political reasons? Mysterian Aug 2021 #64
I guess you have not read the posts. former9thward Aug 2021 #67
Sirhan assassinated the leading candidate for President of the USA Mysterian Aug 2021 #99
Parole in the U.S. has nothing to do with those circumstances, former9thward Aug 2021 #114
You really don't know what you're posting about Mysterian Aug 2021 #117
How was RFK going to get the nomination? Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2021 #148
Humphrey did not have the nomination locked up Mysterian Aug 2021 #152
It was a political crime with huge political ramifications. ShazzieB Aug 2021 #102
The Kennedy Children are objecting for political reasons? I doubt that. True Blue American Aug 2021 #134
Two supported it. former9thward Aug 2021 #137
I think it is germane to this discussion. How old were you on that night? Hekate Aug 2021 #59
That is the most "ungermane" factor in whether SS shoud have parole. former9thward Aug 2021 #62
Irrelevant. ashredux Aug 2021 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author ashredux Aug 2021 #29
How old were you on that night? Tell me. Hekate Aug 2021 #57
It's very interesting they don't want to answer your question, isn't it? ShazzieB Aug 2021 #101
Indeed. It's not like we're holding a petty grudge; we watched the course of history change Hekate Aug 2021 #110
Outside of the last 4 years that was the worst time True Blue American Aug 2021 #135
Certainly one of my worst! electric_blue68 Aug 2021 #146
It was suppose to be the death penalty. So no the pos doesn't get out. You're just trolling rockfordfile Aug 2021 #96
That's exactly my feeling radical noodle Aug 2021 #126
Not trolling anyone nvme Aug 2021 #140
If he had not killed a Kennedy left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #30
Obviously, I fully agree. BobTheSubgenius Aug 2021 #33
It wasn't just a Kennedy, it was most likely he would've been the next President of the United State ashredux Aug 2021 #46
"he would've been the next President" left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #56
Good Lord man just go away ashredux Aug 2021 #58
Please, no personal attacks left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #69
There could well be numerous reasons to not grant Sirhan Sirhan parole. BobTheSubgenius Aug 2021 #32
I agree with the family. gordianot Aug 2021 #39
He should be treated exactly like every other parolee candidate. Jon King Aug 2021 #43
Exactly right luv2fly Aug 2021 #51
I am sadly disappointed In so many on this thread ashredux Aug 2021 #49
Interesting. H2O Man Aug 2021 #52
I don't think Robert Jr.'s reasoning is sane bigtree Aug 2021 #77
That reasoning H2O Man Aug 2021 #88
the argument is not that Sirhan was innocent iemanja Aug 2021 #105
I agree. H2O Man Aug 2021 #108
I see no good reason for the guy to ever leave prison. n/t MrModerate Aug 2021 #53
Hopefully Newsom will put the kibosh on the parole gulliver Aug 2021 #68
Nine Things You Probably Didn't Know About Parole left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #79
Sirhan was sentenced under a different law (rules) than now.... LeftInTX Aug 2021 #81
apples and oranges n/t left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #94
Your the one introducing oranges iemanja Aug 2021 #104
Nah left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #107
Sirhan Sirhan was sentenced to death iemanja Aug 2021 #86
During the initial sentencing the Kennedys asked for life imprisonment, not the death penalty DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2021 #92
And now he's being paroled from that life sentence n/t left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #95
which evidently pleases you iemanja Aug 2021 #103
Whatever left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #106
it depends on if you see prison as protecting the public or revenge Hamlette Aug 2021 #82
It's also whether you should protect the public from copycats who might be deterred pnwmom Aug 2021 #133
If you believe in deterrence, 53 years behind bars ought to be enough. Hamlette Aug 2021 #141
For a crime that serious, life in prison without parole is appropriate. pnwmom Aug 2021 #142
based on the fact it was RFK and not John Doe? Hamlette Aug 2021 #143
Based on the fact that he was a candidate running for US President. pnwmom Aug 2021 #144
Absolutely! The alternate timelines SF authors could write... electric_blue68 Aug 2021 #145
point taken Hamlette Aug 2021 #151
Political Assassination is a different kind of murder, for it kills the future of a nation. ... Hekate Aug 2021 #83
The children of RFK VGNonly Aug 2021 #87
No. He stays in jail. Letting him out rewards him for the murder. rockfordfile Aug 2021 #98
I have the feeling that Newsom will say, "No" BigmanPigman Aug 2021 #113
A lot of talk in this thread about Sirhan2 and Kennedys and assassination, but a big question RockRaven Aug 2021 #132
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