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In reply to the discussion: For those claiming "we wouldn't be in this mess if RBG had retired under Obama," consider this: [View all]NH Ethylene
(30,824 posts)36. She did her utmost to keep serving, even as she was dying! And you call her selfish.
It's sickening and sad that you and others would tarnish the image of a great woman, just so you can lay the blame at someone's feet.
There are a lot of people whose collective actions led to what is happening today. Perhaps the vehemence on this topic is a way for those people to assuage their own guilt.
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For those claiming "we wouldn't be in this mess if RBG had retired under Obama," consider this: [View all]
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
OP
Certainly don't blame RBG. Lucky we had her. Those who helped elect trump deserve the blame.
Hoyt
Sep 2021
#2
"even with a Republican majority Senate, Obama could have appointed a moderate like John Roberts"
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#9
Rollo, why are you describing the man who gutted the Voting Rights Act as a moderate?
irisblue
Sep 2021
#21
RBG almost made it. If Repukes had followed their own rule, Biden would have replaced her.
LakeArenal
Sep 2021
#8
You are correct about people sitting out 2016. RBG wanted the Hillary, the first female president
Dream Girl
Sep 2021
#11
Continuing to ignore the substantial role Democratic voters played in shaping the current SCt
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#14
Democratic voters DID deliver RBG an out in 2012 by reelecting Obama & keeping control of Senate
Drunken Irishman
Sep 2021
#22
I hope Breyer doesn't take to heart some of the arguments used her to defend RBG.
Drunken Irishman
Sep 2021
#89
The difference is that Ruth Bader Ginsburg had a singular power that wasn't available
pnwmom
Sep 2021
#59
None of us AS INDIVIDUALS had the power to influence the composition of the SCOTUS
pnwmom
Sep 2021
#66
Ginsburg's pancreatic cancer made her health much more precarious, and she was 10 years older.
pnwmom
Sep 2021
#75
It's abhorrent for these people, whose choices impact an entire nation...
Drunken Irishman
Sep 2021
#24
Your point might make sense if RBG not retiring was the final nail in the coffin. But it wasn't
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#31
She did her utmost to keep serving, even as she was dying! And you call her selfish.
NH Ethylene
Sep 2021
#36
Agreed. And that was on top of her fighting colon cancer a decade before.
Drunken Irishman
Sep 2021
#91
I also see it said aloud frequently by progressives/leftists (outside of DU)
Mad_Machine76
Sep 2021
#69
True - she might also have had greater faith in Democratic voters than many deserved.
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#35
Her "gamble" didn't pay off because Democratic voters didn't do their part
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#47
There's a difference between "acknowledging the fault of our heroes" and claiming that RBG "caused
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#52
Her biggest gamble was trusting Democratic voters not to be selfish whiners who didn't give a damn
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#60
Voters "couldn't make her quit," but they surely could have ensured that her replacement was
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#73
Yes, she could have. She'd had pancreatic cancer, an extremely serious cancer, in 2009.
pnwmom
Sep 2021
#54
She took a chance. And then the VOTERS took a chance - several, in fact - long after she did
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#57
But millions of voters only had a tiny percent of a chance to influence the outcome of the elections
pnwmom
Sep 2021
#61
And then, seeing she hadn't stepped down, Democratic voters could have stepped up to make sure
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#51
The window actually was literally any time between January 2009 and January 2015.
ColinC
Sep 2021
#38
If the point of retiring is to let a president appoint a justice of his party, yes, I am saying that
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#84
Of course If they didn't do that, we would likely have an 8-1 conservative majority
ColinC
Sep 2021
#85
Interesting that you believe a thoughtful post explaining why one of our greatest heroes should not
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#44
Thank you. It's such an old, old trick to place blame on one woman's shoulders...
Hekate
Sep 2021
#46
Previous cancer isn't the same as previous cancerS. She was at higher risk than someone
pnwmom
Sep 2021
#86
I agree with everything you wrote except "Dems let him do it with little more than Collins concern"
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#72