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In reply to the discussion: For those claiming "we wouldn't be in this mess if RBG had retired under Obama," consider this: [View all]pnwmom
(109,026 posts)61. But millions of voters only had a tiny percent of a chance to influence the outcome of the elections
And, yes, we can blame those who didn't vote for the Democrats.
But she was a Democrat, and she had more power than all of us to make sure a Democrat replaced her . . . and she decided not to use it.
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For those claiming "we wouldn't be in this mess if RBG had retired under Obama," consider this: [View all]
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
OP
Certainly don't blame RBG. Lucky we had her. Those who helped elect trump deserve the blame.
Hoyt
Sep 2021
#2
"even with a Republican majority Senate, Obama could have appointed a moderate like John Roberts"
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#9
Rollo, why are you describing the man who gutted the Voting Rights Act as a moderate?
irisblue
Sep 2021
#21
RBG almost made it. If Repukes had followed their own rule, Biden would have replaced her.
LakeArenal
Sep 2021
#8
You are correct about people sitting out 2016. RBG wanted the Hillary, the first female president
Dream Girl
Sep 2021
#11
Continuing to ignore the substantial role Democratic voters played in shaping the current SCt
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#14
Democratic voters DID deliver RBG an out in 2012 by reelecting Obama & keeping control of Senate
Drunken Irishman
Sep 2021
#22
I hope Breyer doesn't take to heart some of the arguments used her to defend RBG.
Drunken Irishman
Sep 2021
#89
The difference is that Ruth Bader Ginsburg had a singular power that wasn't available
pnwmom
Sep 2021
#59
None of us AS INDIVIDUALS had the power to influence the composition of the SCOTUS
pnwmom
Sep 2021
#66
Ginsburg's pancreatic cancer made her health much more precarious, and she was 10 years older.
pnwmom
Sep 2021
#75
It's abhorrent for these people, whose choices impact an entire nation...
Drunken Irishman
Sep 2021
#24
Your point might make sense if RBG not retiring was the final nail in the coffin. But it wasn't
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#31
She did her utmost to keep serving, even as she was dying! And you call her selfish.
NH Ethylene
Sep 2021
#36
Agreed. And that was on top of her fighting colon cancer a decade before.
Drunken Irishman
Sep 2021
#91
I also see it said aloud frequently by progressives/leftists (outside of DU)
Mad_Machine76
Sep 2021
#69
True - she might also have had greater faith in Democratic voters than many deserved.
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#35
Her "gamble" didn't pay off because Democratic voters didn't do their part
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#47
There's a difference between "acknowledging the fault of our heroes" and claiming that RBG "caused
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#52
Her biggest gamble was trusting Democratic voters not to be selfish whiners who didn't give a damn
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#60
Voters "couldn't make her quit," but they surely could have ensured that her replacement was
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#73
Yes, she could have. She'd had pancreatic cancer, an extremely serious cancer, in 2009.
pnwmom
Sep 2021
#54
She took a chance. And then the VOTERS took a chance - several, in fact - long after she did
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#57
But millions of voters only had a tiny percent of a chance to influence the outcome of the elections
pnwmom
Sep 2021
#61
And then, seeing she hadn't stepped down, Democratic voters could have stepped up to make sure
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#51
The window actually was literally any time between January 2009 and January 2015.
ColinC
Sep 2021
#38
If the point of retiring is to let a president appoint a justice of his party, yes, I am saying that
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#84
Of course If they didn't do that, we would likely have an 8-1 conservative majority
ColinC
Sep 2021
#85
Interesting that you believe a thoughtful post explaining why one of our greatest heroes should not
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#44
Thank you. It's such an old, old trick to place blame on one woman's shoulders...
Hekate
Sep 2021
#46
Previous cancer isn't the same as previous cancerS. She was at higher risk than someone
pnwmom
Sep 2021
#86
I agree with everything you wrote except "Dems let him do it with little more than Collins concern"
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#72