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Caliman73

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21. You have almost everything right.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 12:54 PM
Sep 2021

Everything except the last part.

The GOP wouldn't be THAT shameless------unless they thought they would be allowed to get away with it.

The above is the part that isn't correct and maybe not for the reason you might think. Conservatives and the Republican party would absolutely be what we call "shameless". Their concept of shame is different from what liberals would consider shame. I would preface this with the obligatory "not all conservatives" but generally, as an ideology the purpose of conservatism is to structure society in a hierarchy with rich White men at the top and everyone else underneath in subservient roles. As such, anything in service to the vision is fair game. If conservatives can maintain power through democracy, they will do so. If they need to do away with it to do so, they have little problem doing so. We need to remember that the foundations of Conservatism were created in the defense of Monarchy, and while they no longer defend the institutions of monarchy, the ideology has not changed significantly. They still support RULE by inherent superiors. They have replaced Kings, Queens, and nobles with wealthy business people.

Liberals want to flatten society and will advocate for a generally equitable distribution of the benefits of society, we recognize that there are people who have specific needed talents and skills, but generally would reward that with perks, not by stating that those people are inherently superior and destined to be in charge. Liberals can be conflicted about aspects of society and their ideas. When we learn that a tradition or way of doing things is damaging others, we may feel torn and struggle with shedding traditions, but ultimately we respond to the new information and make the changes.

When "liberal ideals" fail or we fail to live up to them, we feel a sense of shame for our own failure or the failure of our ideals to help people. Conservatives, in my experience, do not feel that or if they do, they very quickly convert the shame into aggression and backlash. Whenever conservatism fails (which it does ... a lot) conservatives will blame the individual, the politician, anything except the ideology.

It is clearly the ideology that is a failure. If it wasn't a failure, we would all still be ruled by monarchs.

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Do I have this right? [View all] Atticus Sep 2021 OP
Shameless? Republicans are lying, hypocritical a$$holes which makes it easy mnhtnbb Sep 2021 #1
And the debt that we will default on is the debt that tRump ran up MiniMe Sep 2021 #2
Bring it up for a clean vote. gab13by13 Sep 2021 #3
But Manchin and Synema say that we can't move to a talking filibuster. Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #12
That was pretty funny BootinUp Sep 2021 #28
If I remember correctly from the past shutdowns .. left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #16
The effects can be delayed, gab13by13 Sep 2021 #18
This ... left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #22
What he said. OrangeJoe Sep 2021 #37
They Will Be Allowed To Get Away With It SoCalDavidS Sep 2021 #4
This! happy feet Sep 2021 #14
It's a promise to pay JustAnotherGen Sep 2021 #5
Just trying to hurt Biden and this country BlueJac Sep 2021 #6
Agree, own the libs and all that jazz. mitch96 Sep 2021 #8
Mitch rushed a Handmaid onto the Supreme Court underpants Sep 2021 #7
The evil that lurks in the GOP is beyond measure. Their party platfor is just toxic on every level. ffr Sep 2021 #9
I move we Pay our Bills... greblach Sep 2021 #10
Yes, they've lost all shame, and yes, they assume that they can get away Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #11
republicans being republican. They buy, but they don't pay. Jakes Progress Sep 2021 #13
"The GOP wouldn't be that shameless" -- except they have no shame left at all Hekate Sep 2021 #15
Nope. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Sep 2021 #17
We have to understand, they are not ashamed of their hypocrisy, they are proud of it Walleye Sep 2021 #19
It's standard procedure for Mitch McConnell MurrayDelph Sep 2021 #20
You have almost everything right. Caliman73 Sep 2021 #21
Social Security checks left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #23
So cancel that tax break for the rich, and DOUBLE IT! RainCaster Sep 2021 #24
This!!! FakeNoose Sep 2021 #26
Glad to see you posting! And yep, you're right. CaptainTruth Sep 2021 #25
Raising it for tax cuts and tremendous defense spending during peace time IronLionZion Sep 2021 #27
Why doesn't this merit a press conference? nt live love laugh Sep 2021 #29
Yes, unfortunately Patton French Sep 2021 #30
you left off DURING A PANDEMIC Skittles Sep 2021 #31
Those fucking sacks of fuck can shove their hypocritical bullshit up their asses Blue Owl Sep 2021 #32
They count on an un-informed willfully ignorant public. And they are rewarded over and over. The Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #33
There is no shame in today's GOP in either Senate or Congress. Ford_Prefect Sep 2021 #34
I made the mistake of reading comments under a Forbes Breaking News video Moebym Sep 2021 #35
Time to abolish the debt ceiling Wolf Frankula Sep 2021 #36
Use the same garbage bin we put the filibuster in.... diverdownjt Sep 2021 #40
So they can find a ceiling but no basement Dukkha Sep 2021 #38
Spot on Atticus... diverdownjt Sep 2021 #39
You have it exactly right ... ananda Sep 2021 #41
Yep, we'd think the republicans live in an impossible dream world. jaxexpat Sep 2021 #42
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