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ForgedCrank

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27. I don't believe anyone has enough

Sat Oct 23, 2021, 10:23 PM

Oct 2021

verifiable information regarding this indecent to make an intelligent call at this point.
We only know what we have gotten from news media via hearsay.
But was he negligent? How do we know this? Is he even ALLOWED, as an untrained person, to open the weapon after the expert on set has declared it's condition? If he were allowed, does he know enough about firearms to even be able to make that call?
See, that's just one of so many questions that will have to be answered before any condemnation can be applied to anyone.
Waiting sucks, but that's what we need to do in this case, as well as all the others we are reading every day.
One thing I would bet bank on right now is that this will be a civil action condition, and we will hear all the actual facts at that time.
All I know is that I'm pretty confident Alec Baldwin had absolutely no intentions of doing any harm to anyone, and I feel really bad for the guy at this point. This would be a nightmare to live though.

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When it comes to guns, there are no accidents or mistakes. Just negligence. [View all] Kaleva Oct 2021 OP

Should Alec Baldwin be charged with negligent homicide? MichMan Oct 2021 #1

I'd say he was negligent. Do you agree? Kaleva Oct 2021 #2

No, I don't believe criminal charges would be appropriate in this incident MichMan Oct 2021 #3

Neither do I. But do you agree that Baldwin & others were negligent? Kaleva Oct 2021 #4

The person holding the weapon is negligent but he won't be charged. marie999 Oct 2021 #10

I agree. Kaleva Oct 2021 #12

Me too. Not to be trifled with jeffreyi Oct 2021 #18

Agree Captain_New_York Oct 2021 #48

I have no idea what the standards and protocols are on movie sets. Crunchy Frog Oct 2021 #25

Here is a link Kaleva Oct 2021 #38

Added to that must be that the actor when handed a weapon must inspect it. marie999 Oct 2021 #50

There's another threat that provides a lot of detail: JHB Oct 2021 #46

Shouldn't someone be charged in every car accident? In a car accident someone was, speeding, doc03 Oct 2021 #41

No but the professional in charge of gun safety on the set might. dem4decades Oct 2021 #5

I don't believe anyone has enough ForgedCrank Oct 2021 #27

He should have checked the gun for live ammo and should not have been pointing a gun at a person. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #37

Why? Wasn't he depending on an arms specialist to make sure doc03 Oct 2021 #6

One doesn't depend on someone else when handling a gun. Kaleva Oct 2021 #8

Job sites may be a little bit different. ForgedCrank Oct 2021 #28

You don't need to be an expert to know the basics of firearm safety. Kaleva Oct 2021 #39

Learning how to inspect and safely use a prop gun isn't that hard. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #57

well, as with anything as crucial as gun safety, ForgedCrank Oct 2021 #68

I feel sorry for Baldwin. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #69

Correct. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #47

He was.... BUT.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #54

It wasn't just someone that handed him the gun. There doc03 Oct 2021 #58

I don't care who handed him the gun. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #60

The armorer on the set is inexperienced and at fault as it's reported.... brush Oct 2021 #7

Baldwin, in his capacity as producer, may be held legally responsible. At least in part. Kaleva Oct 2021 #9

That's not how it works. Nt USALiberal Oct 2021 #17

How does it work then? The producer makes the movie happen... brush Oct 2021 #51

There are twelve producers on this film. meadowlander Oct 2021 #55

He would have known about all of the prior safety issues on the set. former9thward Oct 2021 #73

I am not sure what Baldwin did but I am betting he said something or doc03 Oct 2021 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Tomconroy Oct 2021 #13

So, AndyS Oct 2021 #14

I had training in the military but it was several months before I bought ammo after I got a gun Kaleva Oct 2021 #15

So, AndyS Oct 2021 #19

Taking it seriously. jeffreyi Oct 2021 #20

Some people don't understand... albacore Oct 2021 #22

How did this post get the title AndyS Oct 2021 #16

There's no reason for using a real gun as a movie prop FakeNoose Oct 2021 #21

Using the old expression "but we sent men to the moon"...... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2021 #33

reason is cost and will always be catsudon Oct 2021 #43

Actors shouldn't be dependent on armorers. Straw Man Oct 2021 #23

Why should anyone do anything affiliated with the NRA? Crunchy Frog Oct 2021 #26

There really is no other option sarisataka Oct 2021 #30

Maybe that's something that advocates for responsible gun ownership, like yourself, could work on. Crunchy Frog Oct 2021 #31

I did try reaching out sarisataka Oct 2021 #32

Maybe you could form an organization of your own without the participation of Crunchy Frog Oct 2021 #35

You are the second person today sarisataka Oct 2021 #36

I don't remember the name of the organization but the doc03 Oct 2021 #40

Because their training materials are first-rate ... Straw Man Oct 2021 #75

Doesn't need to be the NRA. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #56

True ... Straw Man Oct 2021 #76

I don't know why they need to use real guns on film sets at all. Crunchy Frog Oct 2021 #24

cost catsudon Oct 2021 #44

And realism. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #61

Boils down to the need for rigorous safety training for both actors and crew..... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2021 #29

Actors are under the direct supervision of someone who is extensively trained. KentuckyWoman Oct 2021 #34

Couldn't the same be said about any auto accident? nt doc03 Oct 2021 #42

Hitting a deer that darted out on the road wouldn't be negligence on the driver's part Kaleva Oct 2021 #52

Maybe the driver of the vehicle was driving doc03 Oct 2021 #53

My insurance company pays the full amount for repairs if you hit a deer marie999 Oct 2021 #72

So does mine. Kaleva Oct 2021 #74

Some activities have an unavoidable amount of residual risk. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #59

When I was in the Army. We had a soldier doc03 Oct 2021 #62

I assume.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #64

Exactly when he chambered the round the hammer doc03 Oct 2021 #65

wow... lucky no one got hurt! NT Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #66

That was just before I was discharged don't know doc03 Oct 2021 #67

Back when I was in the Navy, we weren't allowed to load the magazine into the pistol Kaleva Oct 2021 #71

Yes. This is a set in stone rule. Thank you. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #45

Correct! The first rule is: Every gun is loaded. MineralMan Oct 2021 #49

There were Crepuscular Oct 2021 #63

I grew up in a dysfunctional family that also had several pistols and rifles. cksmithy Oct 2021 #70