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Happy Hoosier

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61. And realism.

Sun Oct 24, 2021, 03:02 PM

Oct 2021

People react to loud bangs in real life in a way that is hard to fake.

There ARE prop guns that are used frequently that are incapable of firing real ammo.... airsoft or pellet guns being a prime example. They can look extremely real with much lower risk. But not every type gun is made that way. I have a prop gun I use with a costume that is a pellet gun. Looks VERY real, but cannot fire real ammo.

I have seen real guns that were modified so that they can only fit blanks. But those tend to be expensive.

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When it comes to guns, there are no accidents or mistakes. Just negligence. [View all] Kaleva Oct 2021 OP

Should Alec Baldwin be charged with negligent homicide? MichMan Oct 2021 #1

I'd say he was negligent. Do you agree? Kaleva Oct 2021 #2

No, I don't believe criminal charges would be appropriate in this incident MichMan Oct 2021 #3

Neither do I. But do you agree that Baldwin & others were negligent? Kaleva Oct 2021 #4

The person holding the weapon is negligent but he won't be charged. marie999 Oct 2021 #10

I agree. Kaleva Oct 2021 #12

Me too. Not to be trifled with jeffreyi Oct 2021 #18

Agree Captain_New_York Oct 2021 #48

I have no idea what the standards and protocols are on movie sets. Crunchy Frog Oct 2021 #25

Here is a link Kaleva Oct 2021 #38

Added to that must be that the actor when handed a weapon must inspect it. marie999 Oct 2021 #50

There's another threat that provides a lot of detail: JHB Oct 2021 #46

Shouldn't someone be charged in every car accident? In a car accident someone was, speeding, doc03 Oct 2021 #41

No but the professional in charge of gun safety on the set might. dem4decades Oct 2021 #5

I don't believe anyone has enough ForgedCrank Oct 2021 #27

He should have checked the gun for live ammo and should not have been pointing a gun at a person. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #37

Why? Wasn't he depending on an arms specialist to make sure doc03 Oct 2021 #6

One doesn't depend on someone else when handling a gun. Kaleva Oct 2021 #8

Job sites may be a little bit different. ForgedCrank Oct 2021 #28

You don't need to be an expert to know the basics of firearm safety. Kaleva Oct 2021 #39

Learning how to inspect and safely use a prop gun isn't that hard. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #57

well, as with anything as crucial as gun safety, ForgedCrank Oct 2021 #68

I feel sorry for Baldwin. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #69

Correct. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #47

He was.... BUT.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #54

It wasn't just someone that handed him the gun. There doc03 Oct 2021 #58

I don't care who handed him the gun. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #60

The armorer on the set is inexperienced and at fault as it's reported.... brush Oct 2021 #7

Baldwin, in his capacity as producer, may be held legally responsible. At least in part. Kaleva Oct 2021 #9

That's not how it works. Nt USALiberal Oct 2021 #17

How does it work then? The producer makes the movie happen... brush Oct 2021 #51

There are twelve producers on this film. meadowlander Oct 2021 #55

He would have known about all of the prior safety issues on the set. former9thward Oct 2021 #73

I am not sure what Baldwin did but I am betting he said something or doc03 Oct 2021 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Tomconroy Oct 2021 #13

So, AndyS Oct 2021 #14

I had training in the military but it was several months before I bought ammo after I got a gun Kaleva Oct 2021 #15

So, AndyS Oct 2021 #19

Taking it seriously. jeffreyi Oct 2021 #20

Some people don't understand... albacore Oct 2021 #22

How did this post get the title AndyS Oct 2021 #16

There's no reason for using a real gun as a movie prop FakeNoose Oct 2021 #21

Using the old expression "but we sent men to the moon"...... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2021 #33

reason is cost and will always be catsudon Oct 2021 #43

Actors shouldn't be dependent on armorers. Straw Man Oct 2021 #23

Why should anyone do anything affiliated with the NRA? Crunchy Frog Oct 2021 #26

There really is no other option sarisataka Oct 2021 #30

Maybe that's something that advocates for responsible gun ownership, like yourself, could work on. Crunchy Frog Oct 2021 #31

I did try reaching out sarisataka Oct 2021 #32

Maybe you could form an organization of your own without the participation of Crunchy Frog Oct 2021 #35

You are the second person today sarisataka Oct 2021 #36

I don't remember the name of the organization but the doc03 Oct 2021 #40

Because their training materials are first-rate ... Straw Man Oct 2021 #75

Doesn't need to be the NRA. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #56

True ... Straw Man Oct 2021 #76

I don't know why they need to use real guns on film sets at all. Crunchy Frog Oct 2021 #24

cost catsudon Oct 2021 #44

And realism. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #61

Boils down to the need for rigorous safety training for both actors and crew..... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2021 #29

Actors are under the direct supervision of someone who is extensively trained. KentuckyWoman Oct 2021 #34

Couldn't the same be said about any auto accident? nt doc03 Oct 2021 #42

Hitting a deer that darted out on the road wouldn't be negligence on the driver's part Kaleva Oct 2021 #52

Maybe the driver of the vehicle was driving doc03 Oct 2021 #53

My insurance company pays the full amount for repairs if you hit a deer marie999 Oct 2021 #72

So does mine. Kaleva Oct 2021 #74

Some activities have an unavoidable amount of residual risk. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #59

When I was in the Army. We had a soldier doc03 Oct 2021 #62

I assume.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #64

Exactly when he chambered the round the hammer doc03 Oct 2021 #65

wow... lucky no one got hurt! NT Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #66

That was just before I was discharged don't know doc03 Oct 2021 #67

Back when I was in the Navy, we weren't allowed to load the magazine into the pistol Kaleva Oct 2021 #71

Yes. This is a set in stone rule. Thank you. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #45

Correct! The first rule is: Every gun is loaded. MineralMan Oct 2021 #49

There were Crepuscular Oct 2021 #63

I grew up in a dysfunctional family that also had several pistols and rifles. cksmithy Oct 2021 #70