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FBaggins

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33. No - it sounds like the decoupling is complete

Reply to wellst0nev0ter (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 1, 2021, 04:21 PM

Nov 2021

Progressives aren't accepting the President's "framework" (which presumably is what could pass the Senate) so they're going to add back in the parental leave, prescription drugs, and perhaps the immigration pieces... then pass both in the House and claim victory.

Then presumably the Senate will pass something closer to what was already agreed to and it will go to conference.

There's an outside possibility that "trusting" the President includes him holding off on signing BIF until the Senate comes closer.

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Joe Manchin NEVER INTENDED to let BBB pass in any form. He wants ONLY the BIF passed. [View all] CousinIT Nov 2021 OP

How will we ever know? FBaggins Nov 2021 #1

lol qazplm135 Nov 2021 #5

Well... if your translation of his position is as accurate as your guess at mine... FBaggins Nov 2021 #7

you've posted more than enough qazplm135 Nov 2021 #8

As I implied above FBaggins Nov 2021 #9

lol "How will we ever know?" bluewater Nov 2021 #12

Looks like we'll find out soon enough FBaggins Nov 2021 #26

+10000000000000000 Celerity Nov 2021 #27

Agreed berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #2

Pull the bif and start over. This time start the reconciliation negotiations at 20T ColinC Nov 2021 #3

Which you think results in what? FBaggins Nov 2021 #10

He was adamant at getting the bif through, and it isn't happening unless he can compromise ColinC Nov 2021 #13

I don't think that I would make that bet FBaggins Nov 2021 #17

Same. Although I don't see a ton of good options if he sticks to his way or the highway ColinC Nov 2021 #21

Maybe not "good options"... but there's a clear option FBaggins Nov 2021 #25

Oh he isn't lying, he still hasn't committed to voting for it. ColinC Nov 2021 #31

But to add that even if he doesn't vote for it, he is in a place where ColinC Nov 2021 #32

Pass both or pass neither. We need to end his extortion of the Dem party. LonePirate Nov 2021 #4

Manchin's @$$ has been kissed enough. CentralMass Nov 2021 #6

What an ironic post FBaggins Nov 2021 #11

Manchin only wants BIF. He wants BBB to fail. If he won't pass BBB then his precious BIF should die. LonePirate Nov 2021 #14

How strange FBaggins Nov 2021 #15

no it's Manchin's Bill qazplm135 Nov 2021 #16

I don't think I'm the one that's confused. FBaggins Nov 2021 #19

so he announced his support qazplm135 Nov 2021 #22

at least the same as qazplm135 Nov 2021 #18

As soon as someone says that... you'll have a point FBaggins Nov 2021 #23

I get that you are doing an audtion for Manchin's press secretary qazplm135 Nov 2021 #24

It's been what 6 months? Is asking for his commitment now really so much to ask? ColinC Nov 2021 #34

Then we continue using that leverage against him wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #20

Nope FBaggins Nov 2021 #28

Sounds like progressives are ready to vote for both bills wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #29

No - it sounds like the decoupling is complete FBaggins Nov 2021 #33

Progressive have approached the holdouts wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #35

The President and the other 48 in the caucus were onboard with the $3.5 trillion bill to begin with. CentralMass Nov 2021 #36

The President also asked the House to pass BIF last week FBaggins Nov 2021 #37

Manchin can go pound sand. CentralMass Nov 2021 #40

History will not look kindly on him. LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #30

K&R UTUSN Nov 2021 #38

K&R UTUSN Nov 2021 #39