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Progressive and Moderate Dem infighting cost us Virginia. [View all] boston bean Nov 2021 OP

Manchin and sinema are not moderates. Voltaire2 Nov 2021 #1

I would say they are Amishman Nov 2021 #4

Thank you. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #8

That puts them in the middle of the Senate. Susan Calvin Nov 2021 #14

Which puts them squarely in the "conservative" camp, NOT moderate. jaxexpat Nov 2021 #71

Bingo. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2021 #91

Govtrack would say otherwise. LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #27

still doesn't change that they are in the middle Amishman Nov 2021 #32

Yeah.......looks like we are loosing with the assholes in the middle. fwvinson Nov 2021 #35

if you mean we are losing elections due to independent voters turning away, then yes Amishman Nov 2021 #83

They are not moderates Farmer-Rick Nov 2021 #73

Bingo. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2021 #89

They most certainly are NOT Jilly_in_VA Nov 2021 #101

Govtrack totally ignores the reality of a long rightward slide KPN Nov 2021 #92

Took the words right out of my mouth. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2021 #13

THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #16

A lot of things cost us Virginia Amishman Nov 2021 #2

+1 rampartc Nov 2021 #6

The Democrats response to covid cannot be underestimated n/t SayitAintSo Nov 2021 #12

I beg to differ. jcmaine72 Nov 2021 #3

the media is not our friend, that is for sure LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #56

I agree with this. yardwork Nov 2021 #82

Yep mountain grammy Nov 2021 #109

The issue is the country is still split Buckeyeblue Nov 2021 #5

They use one wedge issue to frighten the public and gin up their base bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #7

We didn't even make bank on Matt Gaetz and MTG and the insurrection. LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #18

Yes. I seriously wonder as well. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #38

Why is that? Why don't we run on Republicans wanting the end of democracy? Buckeyeblue Nov 2021 #110

In order for lies to be believable, someone has to tell the truth bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #112

CRT/Education and the Economy were by far the top issues in all exit polls Celerity Nov 2021 #9

Hear Hear, Ma'am! The Magistrate Nov 2021 #26

Aye. I'm afraid the OP is just classic, shoot-from-the-hip bothsiderism. Mister Ed Nov 2021 #46

I Agree, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2021 #51

Well said, Sir. I agree. yardwork Nov 2021 #88

+1 Jilly_in_VA Nov 2021 #103

Amen!!! McKim Nov 2021 #77

Exactly! I just wish I could speak a succinctly as Mr Ed. jaxexpat Nov 2021 #80

Well stated; spot on! Thank you. KPN Nov 2021 #76

Yep Yep WHITT Nov 2021 #78

I'm sick of it, too but typically , to JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #10

I don't know WestIndianArchie Nov 2021 #19

This is a Democratic Party forum. You might not belong JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #23

+1 betsuni Nov 2021 #25

Life Long democrat WestIndianArchie Nov 2021 #28

WE DON'T HAVE BIG ENOUGH MAJORITIES JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #37

+1 betsuni Nov 2021 #41

gotcha WestIndianArchie Nov 2021 #44

Just skip over Obamacare? happy feet Nov 2021 #43

No Public Option????? WestIndianArchie Nov 2021 #45

What Part Of 'Not Enough Votes In The Senate' Confuses You So, Sir? The Magistrate Nov 2021 #54

All of it. WestIndianArchie Nov 2021 #57

Good To Know, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2021 #70

We had a bigger majority in the House and Obamacare JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #55

Many Of Those Sixty Were Problematic, Ma'am The Magistrate Nov 2021 #60

Good points , Magistrate! JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #69

Machin was still governor of West Virginia at the time. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2021 #102

You're right! My mistake. Thanks for posting . JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #105

it's NOT fucking both sides LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #61

+1 Drives me crazy. JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #87

me too! LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #117

Yes, these factors seem to be much more of the problem LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #59

Glenn Youngkin led Terry McAuliffe among "parents of K-12 children" by a margin of 56% to 39% janterry Nov 2021 #11

Too true liberalgunwilltravel Nov 2021 #15

Idiocracy FrankTC Nov 2021 #68

Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #17

That's about as far from a Democratic position stopdiggin Nov 2021 #104

Hmm... Mike Nelson Nov 2021 #20

So true: "The Media focus really matters". Mister Ed Nov 2021 #74

Probably not FBaggins Nov 2021 #21

I'm resigned to this. AngryOldDem Nov 2021 #22

2020 loss of House seats empedocles Nov 2021 #39

That's almost inevitable, frankly. I still see no signs that Dems in power Nay Nov 2021 #114

I think Republicans figured out long ago that most Americans pay little or no attention to politics. LaMouffette Nov 2021 #24

+1 It's a big problem and I'm not sure what to do JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #34

One small step would be to bring back civics courses in K-12 education. Although with radical Repubs LaMouffette Nov 2021 #40

Civics classes should be mandatory. JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #52

Where have civics classes been removed? AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #62

Back to Basics! McKim Nov 2021 #84

"Only nine states and the District of Columbia require one year of U.S. government or civics" LaMouffette Nov 2021 #106

I'm really afraid it may be too late. AngryOldDem Nov 2021 #48

General education for the regular population will never recover from the advent of Nay Nov 2021 #115

McAuliffe had his own and Northam's records as Democratic governors of Virginia to run on Klaralven Nov 2021 #29

238 MEMBERS of the liberal Democratic caucuses were strongly united to produce our greatest Hortensis Nov 2021 #30

Agree. LBJ had major problems from the far left despite his great achievements. empedocles Nov 2021 #36

Yes. Unfortunately for them, LBJ had a Democratic trifecta during his presidency, Hortensis Nov 2021 #98

I Disagree, Ma'am The Magistrate Nov 2021 #42

The two senators had the power to do what they did. Hortensis Nov 2021 #108

there are 100 members in the House progressive caucus, not to mention they have the support of Biden LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #66

Manchin and Sinema cost us Virginia. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2021 #31

Yes I believe this is the case. Manchin's speech on election eve confirmed it. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #50

I also believe this is the case. They are high-level ratfuckers who are being paid Nay Nov 2021 #113

Biden & Pelosi knew they needed and wanted to pass a bill, to show progress, to win. empedocles Nov 2021 #33

Horse Hockey Sherman A1 Nov 2021 #47

Republicans are Nazis. Democrats are cowards. The wealthy own Republicans and bought johnthewoodworker Nov 2021 #49

Or... McConnell, Manchin & Sinema preventing Biden from accomplishing his goals cost us Bucky Nov 2021 #53

Huge over-simpllification LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #58

Manchin's Incentive Is To Sabotage FrankTC Nov 2021 #63

THIS!!! McKim Nov 2021 #96

just another old white guy Crazyleftie Nov 2021 #64

Amen!!! McKim Nov 2021 #93

This gives us insight into the course changes needed to keep the house and senate Torchlight Nov 2021 #65

Joe Manchin & Sinema cost us Virginia. Progressive & Moderate Dems were unified CousinIT Nov 2021 #67

There are 50 senators who are clearly to their right and 48 senators to their left... NurseJackie Nov 2021 #95

Technically WHITT Nov 2021 #72

You're right d_b Nov 2021 #75

This Was A Warning Shot About Next Year COL Mustard Nov 2021 #79

Exactly Sunsky Nov 2021 #81

This 👆 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2021 #107

"It's the media, stupid". NewHendoLib Nov 2021 #85

I don't agree. Most Democratic leaders are working very, very hard. yardwork Nov 2021 #86

+1 n/t area51 Nov 2021 #97

Totally disagree childfreebychoice Nov 2021 #90

Manchin and Sinema were bribed to kill the Dem agenda. Kablooie Nov 2021 #94

Well thought out! McKim Nov 2021 #100

maybe... myohmy2 Nov 2021 #99

No they didn't... not "progressives and moderates" meaning Congress failing to pass BBB FBaggins Nov 2021 #111

You are correct, at least to some degree. MineralMan Nov 2021 #116