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Sunsky

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81. Exactly

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 07:18 AM

Nov 2021

I have heard this sentiment echoed by firm Democratic voters. Some folks here seem to be in denial that the infighting has hurt us tremendously. We have to give the people something to vote for. Trump isn't in power, so running against Trump will not work in all circles. Also, my fellow black & immigrant community are feeling left behind and neglected.
This should be a wake-up call. We cannot just neglect some folks and then come election time we expect them to show up. The Republicans sure up their base while we neglect ours to appease "swing voters." I'm disappointed.

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Progressive and Moderate Dem infighting cost us Virginia. [View all] boston bean Nov 2021 OP

Manchin and sinema are not moderates. Voltaire2 Nov 2021 #1

I would say they are Amishman Nov 2021 #4

Thank you. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #8

That puts them in the middle of the Senate. Susan Calvin Nov 2021 #14

Which puts them squarely in the "conservative" camp, NOT moderate. jaxexpat Nov 2021 #71

Bingo. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2021 #91

Govtrack would say otherwise. LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #27

still doesn't change that they are in the middle Amishman Nov 2021 #32

Yeah.......looks like we are loosing with the assholes in the middle. fwvinson Nov 2021 #35

if you mean we are losing elections due to independent voters turning away, then yes Amishman Nov 2021 #83

They are not moderates Farmer-Rick Nov 2021 #73

Bingo. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2021 #89

They most certainly are NOT Jilly_in_VA Nov 2021 #101

Govtrack totally ignores the reality of a long rightward slide KPN Nov 2021 #92

Took the words right out of my mouth. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2021 #13

THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #16

A lot of things cost us Virginia Amishman Nov 2021 #2

+1 rampartc Nov 2021 #6

The Democrats response to covid cannot be underestimated n/t SayitAintSo Nov 2021 #12

I beg to differ. jcmaine72 Nov 2021 #3

the media is not our friend, that is for sure LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #56

I agree with this. yardwork Nov 2021 #82

Yep mountain grammy Nov 2021 #109

The issue is the country is still split Buckeyeblue Nov 2021 #5

They use one wedge issue to frighten the public and gin up their base bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #7

We didn't even make bank on Matt Gaetz and MTG and the insurrection. LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #18

Yes. I seriously wonder as well. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #38

Why is that? Why don't we run on Republicans wanting the end of democracy? Buckeyeblue Nov 2021 #110

In order for lies to be believable, someone has to tell the truth bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #112

CRT/Education and the Economy were by far the top issues in all exit polls Celerity Nov 2021 #9

Hear Hear, Ma'am! The Magistrate Nov 2021 #26

Aye. I'm afraid the OP is just classic, shoot-from-the-hip bothsiderism. Mister Ed Nov 2021 #46

I Agree, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2021 #51

Well said, Sir. I agree. yardwork Nov 2021 #88

+1 Jilly_in_VA Nov 2021 #103

Amen!!! McKim Nov 2021 #77

Exactly! I just wish I could speak a succinctly as Mr Ed. jaxexpat Nov 2021 #80

Well stated; spot on! Thank you. KPN Nov 2021 #76

Yep Yep WHITT Nov 2021 #78

I'm sick of it, too but typically , to JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #10

I don't know WestIndianArchie Nov 2021 #19

This is a Democratic Party forum. You might not belong JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #23

+1 betsuni Nov 2021 #25

Life Long democrat WestIndianArchie Nov 2021 #28

WE DON'T HAVE BIG ENOUGH MAJORITIES JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #37

+1 betsuni Nov 2021 #41

gotcha WestIndianArchie Nov 2021 #44

Just skip over Obamacare? happy feet Nov 2021 #43

No Public Option????? WestIndianArchie Nov 2021 #45

What Part Of 'Not Enough Votes In The Senate' Confuses You So, Sir? The Magistrate Nov 2021 #54

All of it. WestIndianArchie Nov 2021 #57

Good To Know, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2021 #70

We had a bigger majority in the House and Obamacare JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #55

Many Of Those Sixty Were Problematic, Ma'am The Magistrate Nov 2021 #60

Good points , Magistrate! JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #69

Machin was still governor of West Virginia at the time. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2021 #102

You're right! My mistake. Thanks for posting . JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #105

it's NOT fucking both sides LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #61

+1 Drives me crazy. JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #87

me too! LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #117

Yes, these factors seem to be much more of the problem LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #59

Glenn Youngkin led Terry McAuliffe among "parents of K-12 children" by a margin of 56% to 39% janterry Nov 2021 #11

Too true liberalgunwilltravel Nov 2021 #15

Idiocracy FrankTC Nov 2021 #68

Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #17

That's about as far from a Democratic position stopdiggin Nov 2021 #104

Hmm... Mike Nelson Nov 2021 #20

So true: "The Media focus really matters". Mister Ed Nov 2021 #74

Probably not FBaggins Nov 2021 #21

I'm resigned to this. AngryOldDem Nov 2021 #22

2020 loss of House seats empedocles Nov 2021 #39

That's almost inevitable, frankly. I still see no signs that Dems in power Nay Nov 2021 #114

I think Republicans figured out long ago that most Americans pay little or no attention to politics. LaMouffette Nov 2021 #24

+1 It's a big problem and I'm not sure what to do JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #34

One small step would be to bring back civics courses in K-12 education. Although with radical Repubs LaMouffette Nov 2021 #40

Civics classes should be mandatory. JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #52

Where have civics classes been removed? AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #62

Back to Basics! McKim Nov 2021 #84

"Only nine states and the District of Columbia require one year of U.S. government or civics" LaMouffette Nov 2021 #106

I'm really afraid it may be too late. AngryOldDem Nov 2021 #48

General education for the regular population will never recover from the advent of Nay Nov 2021 #115

McAuliffe had his own and Northam's records as Democratic governors of Virginia to run on Klaralven Nov 2021 #29

238 MEMBERS of the liberal Democratic caucuses were strongly united to produce our greatest Hortensis Nov 2021 #30

Agree. LBJ had major problems from the far left despite his great achievements. empedocles Nov 2021 #36

Yes. Unfortunately for them, LBJ had a Democratic trifecta during his presidency, Hortensis Nov 2021 #98

I Disagree, Ma'am The Magistrate Nov 2021 #42

The two senators had the power to do what they did. Hortensis Nov 2021 #108

there are 100 members in the House progressive caucus, not to mention they have the support of Biden LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #66

Manchin and Sinema cost us Virginia. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2021 #31

Yes I believe this is the case. Manchin's speech on election eve confirmed it. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #50

I also believe this is the case. They are high-level ratfuckers who are being paid Nay Nov 2021 #113

Biden & Pelosi knew they needed and wanted to pass a bill, to show progress, to win. empedocles Nov 2021 #33

Horse Hockey Sherman A1 Nov 2021 #47

Republicans are Nazis. Democrats are cowards. The wealthy own Republicans and bought johnthewoodworker Nov 2021 #49

Or... McConnell, Manchin & Sinema preventing Biden from accomplishing his goals cost us Bucky Nov 2021 #53

Huge over-simpllification LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #58

Manchin's Incentive Is To Sabotage FrankTC Nov 2021 #63

THIS!!! McKim Nov 2021 #96

just another old white guy Crazyleftie Nov 2021 #64

Amen!!! McKim Nov 2021 #93

This gives us insight into the course changes needed to keep the house and senate Torchlight Nov 2021 #65

Joe Manchin & Sinema cost us Virginia. Progressive & Moderate Dems were unified CousinIT Nov 2021 #67

There are 50 senators who are clearly to their right and 48 senators to their left... NurseJackie Nov 2021 #95

Technically WHITT Nov 2021 #72

You're right d_b Nov 2021 #75

This Was A Warning Shot About Next Year COL Mustard Nov 2021 #79

Exactly Sunsky Nov 2021 #81

This 👆 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2021 #107

"It's the media, stupid". NewHendoLib Nov 2021 #85

I don't agree. Most Democratic leaders are working very, very hard. yardwork Nov 2021 #86

+1 n/t area51 Nov 2021 #97

Totally disagree childfreebychoice Nov 2021 #90

Manchin and Sinema were bribed to kill the Dem agenda. Kablooie Nov 2021 #94

Well thought out! McKim Nov 2021 #100

maybe... myohmy2 Nov 2021 #99

No they didn't... not "progressives and moderates" meaning Congress failing to pass BBB FBaggins Nov 2021 #111

You are correct, at least to some degree. MineralMan Nov 2021 #116