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truedelphi

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173. In taking the time to open up the first link,

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 06:02 PM

Oct 2012

"NYDAILYNEWS" I find this sentence buried in the middle of the article

Debt ceiling talks: Obama proposes cuts to Social Security, GOP's Eric Cantor signals tax compromise
BY ALIYAH SHAHID
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Thursday, July 07, 2011

After months of debt-deal stalemate, a grand bargain might be in the works.

<snip>

Obama, in exchange, is pushing congressional leaders to accept major changes to Social Security and Medicare, sources told The Washington Post.

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Of course we can't entertain the thought he would make major changes - he is a candidate running for office. He is going to say whatever it takes to make us think our unicorn is now in the mail!

I mean, remember his Autumn 2008 support for the public option?

Which sadly, was all but forgotten by July and August of 2009.

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Know the FACTS: Simpson-Bowles only calls for tiny cuts to Social Security [View all] MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 OP

This is the stuff that angers me more than anything............ kooljerk666 Oct 2012 #1

Well ok newfie11 Oct 2012 #2

Oh, it's this thread again... SidDithers Oct 2012 #3

Better Believe It! MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #5

I knew you reminded me of someone... SidDithers Oct 2012 #16

boom goes the dynamite... dionysus Oct 2012 #26

I thought it was nap time in Canada... hay rick Oct 2012 #32

... SidDithers Oct 2012 #36

Are you in favor of cuts to SS? R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #48

No. And neither is Obama...nt SidDithers Oct 2012 #54

I hope so. I would be in favor of a tax adjustment on the wealthy. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #58

No, not Obama! Ever heard of Google? A Simple Game Oct 2012 #77

Thanks for introducing Firedoglake into this thread... WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2012 #88

I just listed the first four that came up. There were about 2.5 million, A Simple Game Oct 2012 #94

I'd say two dozen *at most* are peddling and/or buying into the bullshit... WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2012 #104

I heard it from President Obama in a clip on the TV, you believe what you want. A Simple Game Oct 2012 #124

What I believe is that you and I are likely in agreement. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2012 #138

Sorry, I think I misunderstood your post. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2012 #159

No need to apologize. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2012 #168

In taking the time to open up the first link, truedelphi Oct 2012 #173

I'm too old to wear blinders willingly. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2012 #174

Um, then why is he trying to implement the recommendations? yardwork Oct 2012 #116

Oh yeah? DeSwiss Oct 2012 #121

... SidDithers Oct 2012 #123

.... DeSwiss Oct 2012 #139

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #172

Hey, Sid, if you do not like this thread Trailrider1951 Oct 2012 #130

"Nobody will miss that" Glitterati Oct 2012 #4

It was satire MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #7

Sorry.... Glitterati Oct 2012 #9

Nah, it's fine MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #12

You had me until I got to the "sell a kidney" a line JonLP24 Oct 2012 #19

Your satire may be dry, but there's nothing dry with this product. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #53

you need to cut and paste the faces of the elderly and put that on the can with a saying something leftyohiolib Oct 2012 #57

I'm working on it. :D R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #60

"For Frisky Seniors!" WinkyDink Oct 2012 #118

Hmmmm..... DeSwiss Oct 2012 #141

Simpson-Bowles failed, and it ProSense Oct 2012 #6

Zombies! MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #11

Facts: ProSense Oct 2012 #14

"No current beneficiaries should see their basic benefits reduced." MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #17

"the administration will not accept an approach that slashes benefits for future generations." ProSense Oct 2012 #20

Yep. "What's a 'slash' versus a 'cut' in Social Security?" MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #21

"Cut" means cut, "Slash" means ProSense Oct 2012 #22

No, it's not clear at all. That's why people are concerned. Chef Eric Oct 2012 #71

Maybe it will "never end" given the looming 401(k) crisis. ieoeja Oct 2012 #35

Precisely my view. That's the reality of the Wall Street scam. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #42

Nailed it JDPriestly... And..when all "savers" can't earn much above 0% in KoKo Oct 2012 #75

QE is working.. girl gone mad Oct 2012 #95

Yes...it's working for those it serves....and the devil is in those details and weeds KoKo Oct 2012 #108

On the positive side of this, lower stock prices would allow SheilaT Oct 2012 #73

"Buy Low and Sell High" but, how many of those getting in do their research on markets KoKo Oct 2012 #109

Your example works great if the country's economy is growing enough, but it no longer is. jtuck004 Oct 2012 #125

The four million jobs that were lost in the first SheilaT Oct 2012 #137

Mi$$ RobMe and his ilk have people they don't care about, too. jtuck004 Oct 2012 #143

At what point will there be more people over the age of 70 SheilaT Oct 2012 #74

People who've lost jobs or houses were underwater, with unemployed kids are withdrawing KoKo Oct 2012 #76

But those people are still no where SheilaT Oct 2012 #80

Actually if it were not for immigration the US population would be stable or shrinking Fumesucker Oct 2012 #90

If. We still have the net immigration, SheilaT Oct 2012 #99

Main factors tama Oct 2012 #149

The Reason that I support Obama is that I think he allowed the Banksters to Reign KoKo Oct 2012 #112

Current, current, current. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #56

That's the weak part of the progressive case tama Oct 2012 #148

Simpson Bowles failed because Ryan sunk it Doctor_J Oct 2012 #114

I am so relieved that legislation failed. Lasher Oct 2012 #156

K&R 99Forever Oct 2012 #8

most folks will end up dying more often fascisthunter Oct 2012 #10

It's never too late to learn hard work and take personal responsibility jsr Oct 2012 #13

Older Americans are currently underrepresented in that socioeconomic group MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #23

I live in an inner city area and see a small, but growing number of elderly women among the homeless JDPriestly Oct 2012 #44

We need to flip the argument around... raising the cap on SS taxes won't be very much... reformist2 Oct 2012 #15

Nice try. MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #24

Hey! you forgot your sarcasm smilie! n/t tech3149 Oct 2012 #18

Sell plasma and aluminum cans progressoid Oct 2012 #25

If selling a kidney works for the people in India, OnyxCollie Oct 2012 #27

K&R - lol closeupready Oct 2012 #28

Clinton said it to Ryan the other day, Obama is ready to deal on SS and other entitlements! Dustlawyer Oct 2012 #29

Which Dems? Which ProSense Oct 2012 #33

"in any deficit reduction package" MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #49

Ask Senator Sanders. Maybe he's in on selling out Social Security too. n/t ProSense Oct 2012 #50

Maybe that's the best wording he could get a large group of Senators to agree to. nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #61

So he's gullible? ProSense Oct 2012 #66

You're seeing a letter signed by many people who are running for reelection. uberblonde Oct 2012 #131

I hope you are right! There is a lot of money in play and Clinton did say it. They will not stop Dustlawyer Oct 2012 #165

If we just learn to adjust our wages, using the Hedonic Index, the way they adjust the CPI.... Fuddnik Oct 2012 #30

Slow death by a million cuts. nc4bo Oct 2012 #31

du rec. nt xchrom Oct 2012 #34

Only 22%? fadedrose Oct 2012 #37

Social Security has absolutely nothing to do with the debt. NOTHING! RC Oct 2012 #38

Well, Social Security "used" to have nothing to do with the debt, bvar22 Oct 2012 #69

Maybe, it's a bit more complicated than that. Sirveri Oct 2012 #155

Not in principle tama Oct 2012 #150

K&R. Kids. Think of it. Your generation gets to return to the real conservative, traditional JDPriestly Oct 2012 #39

Multigenerational families are not necessarily bad tama Oct 2012 #152

Kicking for the under-55 crowd. Me included. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2012 #40

That's the problem alrighty - not enough facts are known stupidicus Oct 2012 #41

A blogger??? Please. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #46

Please what? stupidicus Oct 2012 #84

And OBAMA WILL TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS and FORCE YOU TO MARRY A HOMOSEXUAL11!!! emulatorloo Oct 2012 #47

my my, a hapless exaggerator stupidicus Oct 2012 #85

... not unlike the OP. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #86

not sure what you mean by "OP" stupidicus Oct 2012 #103

Dumbass Conspiracy theories are like assholes. Everybody has one. emulatorloo Oct 2012 #91

do you mean the one I posted? stupidicus Oct 2012 #101

The Social Security 'issue' could be COMPLETELY SOLVED with just ONE change: TahitiNut Oct 2012 #43

Productivity increases over last 3 decades show avg wage should be approx. 90k$$ A YEAR.......... kooljerk666 Oct 2012 #63

The decimation of working class wages is the major problem with the whole economy! LongTomH Oct 2012 #67

I agree. TahitiNut Oct 2012 #107

are you fucking serious??? ONLY $50,000??? NoMoreWarNow Oct 2012 #45

Know the facts: Simpson-Bowles does not include Soc. Sec. as part of its deficit reduction plan frazzled Oct 2012 #51

The OP is fiction, but ProSense Oct 2012 #52

Worse than fiction, it is Romney/Ryan enabling. emulatorloo Oct 2012 #55

No, he's blaming Dems for inadequate defense against what Repukes are doing n/t eridani Oct 2012 #161

Here it comes ... absolutely, definitely any second now .... wait for it ... wait for it ... JoePhilly Oct 2012 #72

It's regurgitated. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #81

Is there a specific fact that you take issue with? MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #87

Yes, the part about SS not being included in the hypothetical computations. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #89

Then fucking educate Americans about the Romney/Ryan plan then emulatorloo Oct 2012 #93

What, precisely, is fiction? MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #106

Clever wording by the Commission, but functionally false MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #59

Who says a re-elected President Obama supports such a plan? frazzled Oct 2012 #62

So exactly when... 99Forever Oct 2012 #70

No, the "brilliant strategy" is to let Romney and Ryan win emulatorloo Oct 2012 #92

The question you didn't answer... 99Forever Oct 2012 #97

But But But...Manny Oilwellian Oct 2012 #96

Thankfully all I have heard from the Pres. is that he wants to strenghtnen SS. raouldukelives Oct 2012 #64

Let's say there is a secret deal to cut Social Security, what will you do? ProSense Oct 2012 #65

I'll dedicate my life to making the name of the President responsible the Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #79

Cool, that's all that matters. n/t ProSense Oct 2012 #83

Well done! And thanks for bringing up something very important. 20score Oct 2012 #68

Yelp for trash pickers! Call it "Hobo's List"! KamaAina Oct 2012 #78

Kick and Rec! Fuddnik Oct 2012 #82

Yep and with gas approaching $5 a gallon, we won't miss those little cuts at all. Cleita Oct 2012 #98

Just out of curiosity tama Oct 2012 #153

Hear, hear, Manny! woo me with science Oct 2012 #100

DURec leftstreet Oct 2012 #102

I'm not sure that's accurate. The cut percentage could entail a mzmolly Oct 2012 #105

Bill Clinton did during his speech the Democratic Convention, bvar22 Oct 2012 #110

I heard Clinton say that Simpson-Bowels was a bipartisan commission, mzmolly Oct 2012 #111

The commission's plan calls for a 22% lifetime cut for middle-income earners MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #113

Got a link that doesn't spin COLA? And, any thoughts on vouchercare? mzmolly Oct 2012 #128

Messing with COLA isn't a cut? MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #135

That depends on who does the analysis. mzmolly Oct 2012 #136

Democrats have screwed the 99% with great glee over the past 20 years MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #140

It's not a matter of cutting the COLA. It's a matter of interpreting mzmolly Oct 2012 #142

A means test will turn SS into "welfare" and it will then be killed... Odin2005 Oct 2012 #120

That's the plan leftstreet Oct 2012 #122

It's meant to be more like insurance mzmolly Oct 2012 #129

Oh great, GEICO Social Security !! leftstreet Oct 2012 #133

No. Just a social "safety" net. mzmolly Oct 2012 #134

No, it would turn it into an insurance plan. mzmolly Oct 2012 #127

+1,000 n/t LarryNM Oct 2012 #145

WE need a Democratic Congress. nt patrice Oct 2012 #115

As always, happy to rec this Autumn Oct 2012 #117

Thank you, 3rd Way Manny Doctor_J Oct 2012 #119

YUP Skittles Oct 2012 #126

this KG Oct 2012 #132

We'll probably get blamed at the end too Doctor_J Oct 2012 #158

The real irony is.... bvar22 Oct 2012 #167

The Repub reps definitely fear the teabaggers Doctor_J Oct 2012 #170

Twittered it. madfloridian Oct 2012 #144

I don't keep track of all comings and goings, but... WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2012 #146

Not all the way back yet. Thinking about it. madfloridian Oct 2012 #147

Lord knows we need "outspoken on education." WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2012 #151

Well well Rex Oct 2012 #154

Hi madfloridian! a2liberal Oct 2012 #164

If I hadn't seen your name I would have gotten had. Zalatix Oct 2012 #157

K&R. Please, no cuts to Social Security. DLevine Oct 2012 #160

Here are some bullet points from a thread I wrote here in July 2011 Samantha Oct 2012 #162

K&R (n/t) a2liberal Oct 2012 #163

Schumer To Dems: Abandon Simpson-Bowles Tax Model ProSense Oct 2012 #166

And if there remains any doubt of their plans for SS & Medicare cuts... Oilwellian Oct 2012 #169

Just like our "leadership" to call SS and Medicare "entitlements" 4 weeks from the election Doctor_J Oct 2012 #171