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In reply to the discussion: Being pro-life doesn’t make me any less of a lefty [View all]Skinner
(63,645 posts)353. I didn't.
Last edited Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:46 PM - Edit history (1)
I have no interest in getting dragged into this discussion, but I would like to make something clear. I never told Th1onein that the word "homicide" is okay. I told Th1onein to stop using the word "murder." Homicide and murder are the same thing. Using either word to describe abortion is highly offensive and inflammatory.
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"abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal and those where it is not,"
Hissyspit
Oct 2012
#388
@ CthulhusEvilCousin--Why are you forcing your opinion on women of child bearing age?
Rectangle
Oct 2012
#316
Exactly. "Pro-life" is a marketing ploy to mask anti-choice authoritarianism. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Oct 2012
#74
I just heard that term today listening to MSNBC, don't know who said it but that is spot on. n/t
cui bono
Oct 2012
#296
+1000. It it anti-choice. If you establish the principle that lawmakers should be making
gkhouston
Oct 2012
#250
Such a feminist that you'd jail women who have had abortions as having committed homicide.
riderinthestorm
Oct 2012
#130
I am going there. Your position is the incendiary one. Jailing women who have had abortions
riderinthestorm
Oct 2012
#172
The Statute of Limitations has absolutely nothing to do with laws that reach back in time to a place
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#177
Nobody sets out to get cancer so they can get chemo either. Sometimes shit happens
riderinthestorm
Oct 2012
#181
We believe the problem to be assholes trying to RESTRICT choice. YOU think the problem is abortion.
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#248
First of all, don't call me a liar. That kind of personal invective doesn't belong in a discussion
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#202
Who cares 'what most people think'? What do you think about chemotherapy? Or tonsillectomies?
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#227
I do NOT agree with that statement. Abortion is a moral and positive choice that liberates women,
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#221
OK, I don't want chemotherapy, either. Or am amputation of my leg, but sometimes they make me better
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#229
Crossing the street is dangerous. But walking out in front of a bus is deadly.
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#281
NO! There are women who DIE in childbirth. Its utterly immoral to force ALL women to birth
riderinthestorm
Oct 2012
#277
Most people would rather not get a root canal either. But having one done is sometimes necessary.
uppityperson
Oct 2012
#364
Abortion can be a good thing. You are wrong that everyone agrees it is "NOT".
uppityperson
Oct 2012
#363
Why is it that people against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place?
backscatter712
Oct 2012
#193
In your opinion, is getting an abortion murder? Does doing an abortion make them a murderer?
uppityperson
Oct 2012
#197
Maybe Th1onein will answer but there's backstory on that. In short yes she's called it murder before
riderinthestorm
Oct 2012
#222
huh. That's, quite frankly, bullshit. I knew most of that as we were on forced ignore.
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#223
Good grief, how in the WORLD do you come up with that assessment of what I said?
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#306
Why thank you. I've read the entire thread and found her logic lacking in the extreme.
GoneOffShore
Oct 2012
#383
So, are you going to vote for the Presidential candidate who disagrees with you on that issue?
2ndAmForComputers
Oct 2012
#259
How I handle my own pregnancies is none of your business. And a feminist understands that, in fact
DeschutesRiver
Oct 2012
#243
I get it, for whatever it's worth. I don't agree with it, but I get it. nt
Honeycombe8
Oct 2012
#341
It's such a good thing that birth control is available to all and works flawlessly always
Arugula Latte
Oct 2012
#85
Obviously I think we should have great birth control and great access to it.
Arugula Latte
Oct 2012
#123
Abortion is the problem; the issue, that we cannot agree upon. That's a problem.
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#203
You've labelled abortion a problem in many posts on this thread alone.
riderinthestorm
Oct 2012
#216
*You* have the problem, in that you think any other uterus is any of your business.
Lars39
Oct 2012
#187
Another person's uterus is NEVER any of your business. You don't get a say in whether
smokey nj
Oct 2012
#319
A wedge issue is an issue that divides a group. I think the issue of abortion does a pretty good
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#205
We all know 'life' starts at conception. Personhood, however, does not. So sayeth SCOTUS.
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#234
Um, no. It's not 'taking another's life' any more than cutting out a mole or tumor or hangnail is.
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#241
I find your opinion on this matter disgusting, judgmental, and in conflict with the Democratic Party
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#272
Thattttt's right! Lob those insults! Oh! Hey! That really furthers your argument!
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#285
And when I cut off my foot because of a gangrenous toe, I've also taken life, since my foot was aliv
uppityperson
Oct 2012
#368
You know, Care Acutely, just because YOU have not chosen to use your spare time in a manner
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#260
The difference is that you can look up my work, and I can't look up your queenly lineage.
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#276
Define "life". You keep using that term but haven't defined what you mean. It is simple
uppityperson
Oct 2012
#367
Nor is any of this your choice. We have laws in this land. We can trust women to exercise their
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#246
It does fly since abortion is legal. And for that matter, whenever abortion has briefly
DeschutesRiver
Oct 2012
#255
Just in case you missed it, in post #236, she does call abortion a "homicide". For the record... nt
riderinthestorm
Oct 2012
#274
I am pro-choice and pro-abortion. It saves lives, families and liberates women.
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#92
No. waddirum, I live in the real world. You know, the one where man has set foot on the moon?
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#136
And you think antibiotics and surgery cure all sick people all the time?
Arugula Latte
Oct 2012
#178
Right! So NO NEED TO OUTLAW it. Keep it legal and readily available! I'm glad you agree.
Arugula Latte
Oct 2012
#182
Now you're advocating for enforced sterilization to prevent abortion???!!!!
riderinthestorm
Oct 2012
#183
Children's lives are jeopardized to satisfy a bizarre notion that abortions are homicides? Wow;
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#137
Do you subscribe to the notion that "pregnancies from rape are God’s will"?
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#154
For the pro-abortionists trying to restrict it is the problem. For the anti-abortionists, the
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#266
Your argument loses all credibility when you throw out the term "pro-abortionist".
cui bono
Oct 2012
#303
"pro-abortionists"? Seriously? Hey, I'll have an Abortion Party (tm) Dec 22, ok?
uppityperson
Oct 2012
#372
Abortion is a "problem" because it is "the wedge issue" for you? THAT is why you have such
uppityperson
Oct 2012
#371
Sometimes pregnancies have to be terminated to save women's lives. Sometimes women are raped.
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#149
When an abortion saves a life, abortion should be performed. I don't disagree with that.
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#268
you claim you want common ground but use words like "murder" and "homicide"
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#282
how would you like to punish women, their doctors and accomplices in Th1oneinstan?
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#295
I have faith in our legislature to come up with something appropriate, as long as it's a Democratic
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#302
Once again, RainDog, you are mischaracterizing my statements and my position. Completely.
Th1onein
Oct 2012
#307
If religious extremists got enough power where they could twist things like in your previous post
Zalatix
Oct 2012
#356
I told you before, pre-birth personhood is determined by viability. What the hell?
Zalatix
Oct 2012
#377
Did you know women with good finances and support get abortions? What support do you want to
uppityperson
Oct 2012
#373
I am with you. Abortion is a moral and positive choice that liberates women, saves lives, and
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#150
It can't be done while supporting an economically conservative agenda, that's for sure. nt
Tommy_Carcetti
Oct 2012
#56
You are correct, it's a symptom of a deeper defecit in modern wester civilization.
Puzzledtraveller
Oct 2012
#27
+1. I lose count, so I just say +1 and trust that you'll keep a tally. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Oct 2012
#107
That's an odd reply for a number of reasons, starting with the obvious ones
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2012
#144
The phrase 'pro-Life' is a right-wing frame and you're a troll - n/t
coalition_unwilling
Oct 2012
#15
I find as I get older, I care less and less for the male opinion on women's health issues
justiceischeap
Oct 2012
#18
There are women who chime in as pro-circumcision on every single circumcision thread I've seen here.
Fumesucker
Oct 2012
#139
Sorry but I don't see that conversation as often as I see those concerning
justiceischeap
Oct 2012
#146
There are Democrats (even DUers) who believe abortion is a homicide and women should be jailed
riderinthestorm
Oct 2012
#43
Uh, duh; the context IS "abortion." Nobody (except you) would think the phrase includes ice-cream or
WinkyDink
Oct 2012
#159
Uh, duh; Some of us don't feel the need to mix framing with context when discussing an issue.
Tommy_Carcetti
Oct 2012
#269
Assume I'll see you demonstrating at the next anti-death penalty rally? Or are you just pro-zygote?
retread
Oct 2012
#25
I don't know who Hitchens is but my daughter is an atheist and left wing
liberal_at_heart
Oct 2012
#315
Well in all fairness to atheists we are way more to the left than other people
Warren Stupidity
Oct 2012
#387
I am pro-this-is-a-medical-decision-between-a grown-woman-and-her-doctor.
riderinthestorm
Oct 2012
#36
interdicting civility and reason to a complicated issue again? Magistrate to the rescue.
grantcart
Oct 2012
#232
The infant mortality rate in some areas of the US rivals some 3rd world countries
Major Nikon
Oct 2012
#99
Excuse me, but it's a lot more than rhetorical to women whose lives are on the line.
yardwork
Oct 2012
#68
Nonsense. Anti-choice is a very apt way to describe what the Republicans want.
yardwork
Oct 2012
#76
Guess what? Nobody made YOU "The Framer." We are using accepted terms, Mr. Jesuitical.
WinkyDink
Oct 2012
#160
On the issue of abortion, yes, plenty of people are most assuredly "anti-choice".
NYC Liberal
Oct 2012
#86
When people talk about being "pro-choice" in the context of an abortion issue,
NYC Liberal
Oct 2012
#90
And when people say "pro-life" in the context of the abortion issue, most Americans instinctively...
Tommy_Carcetti
Oct 2012
#103
But the debate isn't about "the best bumper stickers". You're missing the point.
NYC Liberal
Oct 2012
#106
No, the debate SHOULDN'T be about who has the best bumper stickers. But that's what it's become.
Tommy_Carcetti
Oct 2012
#109
Chosing a hygienic legal medical abortion vs a illegal unhygienic back alley one. eom
uppityperson
Oct 2012
#138
Tommy, you're really doing nothing more here than playing word games, the same way
bullwinkle428
Oct 2012
#168
So you are anti choice and you believe that the government should have say over
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2012
#48
Wrong. If you are against women having control over their own bodies, then you are
efhmc
Oct 2012
#60
We even have a Senate candidate in a close race spewing that doctors are preforming abortions on
libdem4life
Oct 2012
#66
I'm betting what your original post means is that you have chosen to be Non-choice but support...
Tikki
Oct 2012
#79
So the author claims it isn't about emotion, then proceeds to list arguments based on emotion
Major Nikon
Oct 2012
#97
I agree with everything you said except one small point - "...having a baby, which men support in
Iris
Oct 2012
#124
anti choice. but, dont be telling me it is pro life. that is bullshit. anti choice. call it what is.
seabeyond
Oct 2012
#157
I like it. Long and short version. Saving it for future refernce and you should, too!
Iris
Oct 2012
#207
The sovereign inner parts and functions of my body are none of your fucking business.
Zorra
Oct 2012
#208
I'm a pro-life Democrat and wanted to just come in and say we do exist! O/ nt
cecilfirefox
Oct 2012
#292
"Pro-life" = forced birth = right wing talking points. Also, if you are so "pro-life" how can you
idwiyo
Oct 2012
#312
Not at least one in this thread who thinks abortion should be illegal. A position to the right of
PeaceNikki
Oct 2012
#328
IMO the abortion issue all boils down to whether you think a fetus is a person.
redgreenandblue
Oct 2012
#327
if your "pro-life" position includes the death penalty i will listen to you
arely staircase
Oct 2012
#329
I struggle with this issue myself. So I understand. But I am pro-choice, in the end. 12 wks seems
Honeycombe8
Oct 2012
#339
Ok but the president doesn't neccessarily have to follow the platform and neither do we and still be
craigmatic
Oct 2012
#392