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jimmy the one

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9. A stalemate is a win for the Ukraine - half a loaf
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:54 AM
Mar 2022

Last edited Mon Mar 7, 2022, 08:05 AM - Edit history (1)

I voted for 'something else' in your poll, Colin. The top two choices I feel are not possible, while a 'no' needs be caveated, as below.
I hope the Ukraine can force a stalemate within a few months, where russia will somehow bow out with several southern & eastern cities in its craw, a bit of egg on its face, and a clever concoction making it seem they are doves with olive branches. A stalemate would likely be a WIN for the Ukraine.

A stalemate is a result where neither side can make any further meaningful progress in the war (on edit: without suffering inordinately high losses for any subsequent gain). The Ukraine cannot force russia back out of russian occupied territory, except on a temporary hit or miss scale. Russia will eventually lay full siege to Kiev, and 'hopefully' other major cities which are not overrun in short order, and that might be that, the Ukraine sues for peace. Depends on how long the sieges last, and how much damage Ukrainian counterattacks do to the invaders.
If Putin deems the siege too long and costly (ha) he might do as I said above, and see that with solid world wide support going against him, a crumbling economy, larger than expected military losses, that the war is stalemated, and an expedited exit based on some specious pretext might return to russia some of the status quo ante bellum (condition prior to war).

A stalemate would be a WIN for the Ukraine. I think it is the best they can hope for against overwhelming russian strength. Ukrainian resistance will likely wane over time.
A stalemate could be twisted into a win for putin by sophistry, in that he might accomplish 90% of his goals and be satisfied with half a loaf. World opinion would still be against the invasion and subjugation of the half loaf, but that too, sadly to say, would wane.

The first gulf war was a stalemate as well as a decisive win for the United States. Kuwait was restored, but to capture saddam was deemed by HWBush as too costly to continue, thus a flimsy stalemate. Often wars end this way.
Bellum da svedanya.

kick /nt artemisia1 Mar 2022 #1
I predict a multigraincracker Mar 2022 #2
No one's going to "win" this war. It's all bad and only going to get worse... nt Starfury Mar 2022 #3
all I know is, Russia will lose eShirl Mar 2022 #4
The Russian people will end Putin's reign.... FarPoint Mar 2022 #5
No one wins a war... JT45242 Mar 2022 #6
Far too true ColinC Mar 2022 #7
Define Winning? Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #8
A stalemate is a win for the Ukraine - half a loaf jimmy the one Mar 2022 #9
Ukraine...not "the" Ukraine...nt Wounded Bear Mar 2022 #25
a rose is a rose jimmy the one Mar 2022 #26
It is an invasion JustAnotherGen Mar 2022 #10
kick /nt artemisia1 Mar 2022 #11
I think it's going to stabilize out to a free and independent northwestern Ukraine... roamer65 Mar 2022 #12
I can see that mvd Mar 2022 #13
I don't like it, but just my gut tells me it's gonna "rhyme" with the 1939 partition of Poland. roamer65 Mar 2022 #14
Yep I'm still worried how far Putler takes things mvd Mar 2022 #15
Eventually this is heading to WW3. roamer65 Mar 2022 #16
something else: i don't know n/t orleans Mar 2022 #17
The ethnic make up of Ukraine. roamer65 Mar 2022 #18
I don't think the answer options ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #19
I think there will be an independent Ukraine, but it may not Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #20
If the Ukrainians refuse to stop fighting, anamnua Mar 2022 #21
I keep looking back at Afghanistan...... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2022 #22
kick artemisia1 Mar 2022 #23
No, but the Russians will end up withdrawing. MineralMan Mar 2022 #24
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