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krispos42

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50. In shallow waters, maybe
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 11:39 PM
Apr 2022

We still have the logistical problem of having to transport a vast quantities of goods over the ocean in the event of a war. Those ships need to be escorted for weeks at a time against submarine, surface, and air attacks... and that can't be done by shore-based missiles or aircraft. You'd need six fighters or more for every one on patrol over the convoy, as at any given times some fighters will be in transit to or from the convoy, and others will be on the ground being maintained and repaired. Plus a tanker to keep the fighters fueled up as they travel to and then orbit around the convoy. Same problem with patrol anti-submarine and anti-ship aircraft.

You'd need something like an AWACS aircraft, a tanker, a half-dozen air-superiority fighters, and a couple of anti-submarine patrol planes (with limited anti-ship capability) actually escorting and protecting the convoy at any given time, and more planes either en route to relieve them or returning to base. A half-dozen air-superiority fighters can protected the convoy from a small-to-medium-sized air attack, but if there's a saturation attack the couple of dozen missiles carried by the fighters won't be enough. And if you're seriously worried about a serious attack by naval vessels, something like a B-52 or B-1B loaded with dozens of anti-ship missiles should be nearby.

By the time you have enough planes, aircrew, and groundcrew to replace a guided-missile destroyer... you've spent more than the guided-missile destroyer. An Arleigh Burke destroy has 90 vertical launch cells that can hold either a Tomahawk, a Standard surface-to-air missile, an ASROC anti-submarine rocket, or a quad-pack of Sparrow surface-to-air missiles. That's a hell of a lot of firepower.



Yeah, nowadays we can fly in troops fast... we can militarize the entire US passenger fleet iand fly thousands of troops per day per destination airport if needed. But we can't airlift the logistical train that follows those troops. Food, fuel, ammo, vehicles, and other supplies ultimately have to come in by ship, rail, and truck. They're bulky and heavy

And then there's amphibious warfare...

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Slava Ukraine! onecaliberal Apr 2022 #1
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❤️🌻🇺🇦 onecaliberal Apr 2022 #9
Although this will ForgedCrank Apr 2022 #2
Was she in fact sunk? Stinky The Clown Apr 2022 #3
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Did the Cruiser sink? Chainfire Apr 2022 #4
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. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #8
Yes. They abandoned the ship. That only happens if it's likely to sink. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #11
Evil grin. Igel Apr 2022 #12
Schadenfreude! anamnua Apr 2022 #25
K&R UTUSN Apr 2022 #10
I wonder if this would enable Mariupol air drops. Gore1FL Apr 2022 #13
I don't really know anything but it sounds like Russia Tomconroy Apr 2022 #15
Well, conventionally most of those ships aren't very vulnerable relayerbob Apr 2022 #47
Reports are that it's sending out Morse code distress signals. roamer65 Apr 2022 #14
I see it differently... WarGamer Apr 2022 #16
You have to have air supremacy to invade from the sea. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #17
So? WarGamer Apr 2022 #18
They already tried to take Odessa and failed. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #19
They never made a serious thrust at Odessa... or Kiev?? WarGamer Apr 2022 #21
Aren't you the guy who told me they were going to take Maripoul Tomconroy Apr 2022 #23
as far as we know... WarGamer Apr 2022 #24
Good thing you're an Armchair general. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #26
as are you... as are all of us WarGamer Apr 2022 #27
I'm an Armchair GI. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #29
BTW France24 reporting 1026 Ukrainian Marines have surrendered in Mariupol (according to Russia MOD) WarGamer Apr 2022 #51
Some surrendered. The video is supposed to show about 100. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #52
Going to be difficult to get Azov out... WarGamer Apr 2022 #53
UPDATE 3-Russia says ammunition blast damages flagship of Black Sea fleet - Interfax Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2022 #20
How many more do they have Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #22
They have two more of this class. I suspect they have more cruisers than that. Gore1FL Apr 2022 #37
I believe Turkey has closed the straits to the Black Sea so they can't bring in reinforcements. Angleae Apr 2022 #40
Not in the Black Sea krispos42 Apr 2022 #49
+1, uponit7771 Apr 2022 #59
This quote!!!!!!!!!!! LOL Takket Apr 2022 #28
+1!!! kind of embarrassing actually...nt mitch96 Apr 2022 #32
+1 2naSalit Apr 2022 #38
FWIW. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #30
It means what honest military planners have known for twenty years or more Strelnikov_ Apr 2022 #31
"Navy's surface fleet of 'attack' ships is idiotic" ahh but we have to keep the mitch96 Apr 2022 #35
I know kids who work at China Lake gaskinite Apr 2022 #41
Yes, but a lot less than a cruiser relayerbob Apr 2022 #43
In shallow waters, maybe krispos42 Apr 2022 #50
Russia has many subs with different capabilities. nt PufPuf23 Apr 2022 #58
+1, uponit7771 Apr 2022 #60
You don't understand Putin iemanja Apr 2022 #33
He's afraid of dying from a germ. He ain't going nuclear. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #36
... Nevilledog Apr 2022 #34
Absolutely beautiful ... Glory to Ukraine!!! 🌻🇺🇦🌻💕 nt Raine Apr 2022 #39
They have other ships with SAMs and certainly have them in Sevastopol relayerbob Apr 2022 #42
I think the TB2 he mentions is an armed drone. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #44
Understood relayerbob Apr 2022 #48
I'm not going to officially post it because it's not confirmed Tomconroy Apr 2022 #54
Glad to hear that. Looking forward to Kherson falling relayerbob Apr 2022 #56
Slava Ukraini! Thank you, Goddess. fierywoman Apr 2022 #45
"impending Ukrainian push out of Kherson" ColinC Apr 2022 #46
There's video out there of an enormous explosion and a Tomconroy Apr 2022 #55
All I know is.. ColinC Apr 2022 #57
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