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krispos42

(49,445 posts)
26. Yeah, because making gun control the party platform has just worked out so well for us.
Sun May 15, 2022, 10:53 PM
May 2022


The Democratic Party has been embracing as its signature gun-control effort a ban on "assault weapons" for 30 years. For 30 years, Democrats have, by and large, been forced to go on TV in a variety of venues and say reality-devoid statements that a child can see through. It's because national Democrats seized on an alternative crime-control platform for the 1992 election and the dumb and ineffective brain storm of a couple of California state legislators was part of it.

And while a certain percentage of the country hates private gun ownership and private gun owners and will support any gun-control measure regardless of ineffectiveness or stupidity as long as it pisses off Republicans, a much larger percentage of the country either doesn't care or sees Democratic party saying and doing stupid shit that ruins our credibility!

People that own guns know about guns. Shocker, I know. And when Democrats say stupid things like "pistol grips turn rifles into death machines that must be banned!!!!", our credibility goes out the window. "Well, gee, if Democrats are wrong about this physical thing that I own, how can they be right on abstract issues like the economy?"

We're in this boat because Dolt45 won the electoral college. He won the electoral college because in a handful of states, his voters were more motivated to vote than Hillary Clinton's. His voters were worried about HRC passing new gun-control laws AS STATED IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY PLATFORM.

Yeah, there were other reasons she lost; if Comey had kept his mouth shut, or Hillary had scheduled a few rallies in the Great Lakes region, she probably would have won. Barely. Against an orange clown of a human being that is obviously corrupt, self-centered, greedy, and ignorant.

But this issue, which is a fundamentally flawed and ineffective idea, affects not only the presidential races, but also Federal and State elections. We lost the House in 1994, and have been going back-and-forth ever since. We've been under-performing in Senate races. Ohio went from a tossup to something that's reliable Republican. We lost the presidency because of 537 votes in Florida; if 269 out of MILLIONS of voters had voted for Gore instead, he would have won, and Dubya's SCOTUS picks would have been liberals instead of conservatives. 26 states have majority-Republican House delegations, which may be a BIG FUCKING DEAL in 2024 as Republicans try to steal the presidency for the Fat Donnie.

Everybody seems to agree that the Democrats have lost the rural states for the foreseeable future but nobody seems to be making the connection between the party plank and this issue. Democrats have a fiction-based signature gun-control plan, they've been wedded to it for so long they refuse to even consider divorcing it, and they keep losing ground in rural parts of the country.

Banning assault weapons is not a winning strategy. It hasn't worked, it isn't working, and it will never work. It can't work, for a variety of reasons. It has always been a political stunt designed to garner votes by bringing new ideas to the table, and it maybe worked once, for Bill Clinton in 1992.
We SHOULD have, a long time ago. elleng May 2022 #1
If we are going to be originalists, the only guns allowed... 3catwoman3 May 2022 #2
First Amendment no longer applies to tv, radio.and the internet then. MichMan May 2022 #27
Or money. nuxvomica May 2022 #92
The gun-humpers - who are the real problem -- will say there were quill pens Hoyt May 2022 #30
Thanks for posting this great analysis. nt delisen May 2022 #3
ZERO Chance nt SoCalDavidS May 2022 #4
Call a Constitutional Convention and do it then. WarGamer May 2022 #5
You know what would happen if we did that jmowreader May 2022 #7
Correct... we need to be 2 or more countries... we're broken. WarGamer May 2022 #10
It is really mind boggeling, gab13by13 May 2022 #6
Definition: "military... raised from the civil population to supplement regular army in emergency." live love laugh May 2022 #22
LOL Skittles May 2022 #49
I disagree. We need to repeal the 2A and confiscate all guns. LonePirate May 2022 #8
Which will never happen so it's pointless to even consider it Calculating May 2022 #14
The same was thought in relation to travelling to the moon. Have to start on that path. LonePirate May 2022 #23
There isn't any comparison. asa4ever May 2022 #86
That is ultimate solution. But will take decades, maybe a century. Start now. Hoyt May 2022 #31
ridiculous Skittles May 2022 #41
What's your solution then? Shrugging our shoulders from the inevitability of these shootings? LonePirate May 2022 #42
search "common sense gun laws" Skittles May 2022 #43
So, IOW, civil war. MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #57
Who will be doing the confiscating? LiberatedUSA May 2022 #89
Seemed like armories and drilling were core concepts of the 2nd Amendment. OAITW r.2.0 May 2022 #9
How am I supposed to fend off a home invasion? Calculating May 2022 #16
You've had a lot of those I assume? Nt USALiberal May 2022 #18
Of course they haven't. herding cats May 2022 #33
Not exactly unknown or very rare event EX500rider May 2022 #40
No they weren't hack89 May 2022 #87
"No loaded weapons in the home." VarryOn May 2022 #11
I'm not that paranoid. USALiberal May 2022 #17
I'm far from paranoid. I'm over 50... VarryOn May 2022 #19
Toters are a serious problem. A reasonable compromise is for people to Hoyt May 2022 #32
I don't understand... VarryOn May 2022 #34
You speak Gunner, and believe in gunz, that's your - and America's -- problem. Hoyt May 2022 #48
Good luck putting that genie back in the bottle. Srkdqltr May 2022 #12
The latest interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: sop May 2022 #13
Which an analysis of the colonies proved was never in consideration Marius25 May 2022 #20
I'm a bit confused by your post. NotTodayPutin May 2022 #25
They disarmed people that were actively supporting the Crown during an ongoing war hack89 May 2022 #94
It will never happen, no way would anyone ever be able to get that passed! Nt USALiberal May 2022 #15
All it takes is 5 liberal Supreme court justices. Marius25 May 2022 #21
Which requires decades of Dems showing up and voting for any Dem rabidly. herding cats May 2022 #29
look what six fucking "pro-life" nutcases on the SC did Skittles May 2022 #39
also takes a total sea change in law enforcement - specially outside of cities Amishman May 2022 #51
There is NO need to repeal the 2nd Amendment MerryHolidays May 2022 #24
Yeah, because making gun control the party platform has just worked out so well for us. krispos42 May 2022 #26
Excellent post. Sadly, it will be completely ignored by the vast majority here. Dial H For Hero May 2022 #37
so, what, we wait until there are 100 mass shootings a day? Skittles May 2022 #38
What is your legislative proposal that can actually be passed and survive constitutional scrutiny? Dial H For Hero May 2022 #45
We've had a lot of gun control laws passed since 1934: sop May 2022 #50
How about we get and stay in power so we can make positive changes to society? krispos42 May 2022 #52
+1 leftstreet May 2022 #46
I followed the links from the OP. former9thward May 2022 #28
What good will that do? Polybius May 2022 #35
needs to be rewritten so PARANOID ASSHOLES can understand Skittles May 2022 #36
It's too hard 48656c6c6f20 May 2022 #44
I wonder if the love for seemingly all things gun related is generational. I know walkingman May 2022 #47
Easy, Title II all PGR (Pistol Grip Rifles) ... no ban just register who has them uponit7771 May 2022 #53
Why restrict pistol grips? A Mini-14 and Ar-15 are functionally identical. Dial H For Hero May 2022 #54
This is false uponit7771 May 2022 #55
How so? Same cartridge, velocity, magazine capacity, rate of fire... Dial H For Hero May 2022 #58
His statement makes no sense at all, unless the poster is ignorant of firearms. nt MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #60
... of course you didn't list the differences IE the ad hom. But I've asked anyway uponit7771 May 2022 #63
They both FUNCTION the same exact way, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #65
This is false on its face, ... hint: VPC has done the studies and the history and the ... uponit7771 May 2022 #67
I don't give a fuck what the VPC has studied, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #69
Yeah, "fuck facts: ... that's a winning argument after ad homs. Come on man I don't believe ... uponit7771 May 2022 #70
FUNCTIONAL, AS IN THEY OPERATE THE SAME EXACT WAY. MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #71
This is also false, the poster said they're "functionally identical" and they're not. A sword and a uponit7771 May 2022 #74
They are FUNCTIONALLY identical, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #75
You narrowed my position to "innards" not me and straight stock vs pgr isn't just "looks" ... uponit7771 May 2022 #76
..... MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #77
Facts matter no? tia (quote) uponit7771 May 2022 #78
... and differences? tia uponit7771 May 2022 #61
Why is this false? MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #59
... and differences? tia uponit7771 May 2022 #62
Poster said that the functionality of both are the same, not how they look. nt MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #64
So ... is this your "functional" differences list? tia uponit7771 May 2022 #66
So, once again, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #68
Some people seem to think that sticking to a demonstrably incorrect position is better than Dial H For Hero May 2022 #80
A perfect example as in this case. MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #82
Citing the VPC regarding the "deadliness" of pistol grips is quite the stretch as well. Dial H For Hero May 2022 #83
This is why shooters call the AWB the scarey looking weapon ban nt ripcord May 2022 #88
If they can strike down Roe v Wade on a technicality FakeNoose May 2022 #56
The only thing I am convinced of is.. mvd May 2022 #72
The 2nd Amendment is not absolute. MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #73
The second amendment was bullshit and its always been bullshit. hunter May 2022 #79
So we can...must...all buy M4s and M16s and M9s as long as they're registered? BusterMove May 2022 #81
What gun control laws is the 2A stopping? hack89 May 2022 #84
It's original intent is an Anachronism. maxsolomon May 2022 #85
The problem is that the Heller interpretation has been in place for centuries ripcord May 2022 #90
In related news... AntiFascist May 2022 #91
Machine guns for everyone? SYFROYH May 2022 #93
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