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In reply to the discussion: We must restore the 2nd Amendment to its original intent [View all]krispos42
(49,445 posts)26. Yeah, because making gun control the party platform has just worked out so well for us.
The Democratic Party has been embracing as its signature gun-control effort a ban on "assault weapons" for 30 years. For 30 years, Democrats have, by and large, been forced to go on TV in a variety of venues and say reality-devoid statements that a child can see through. It's because national Democrats seized on an alternative crime-control platform for the 1992 election and the dumb and ineffective brain storm of a couple of California state legislators was part of it.
And while a certain percentage of the country hates private gun ownership and private gun owners and will support any gun-control measure regardless of ineffectiveness or stupidity as long as it pisses off Republicans, a much larger percentage of the country either doesn't care or sees Democratic party saying and doing stupid shit that ruins our credibility!
People that own guns know about guns. Shocker, I know. And when Democrats say stupid things like "pistol grips turn rifles into death machines that must be banned!!!!", our credibility goes out the window. "Well, gee, if Democrats are wrong about this physical thing that I own, how can they be right on abstract issues like the economy?"
We're in this boat because Dolt45 won the electoral college. He won the electoral college because in a handful of states, his voters were more motivated to vote than Hillary Clinton's. His voters were worried about HRC passing new gun-control laws AS STATED IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY PLATFORM.
Yeah, there were other reasons she lost; if Comey had kept his mouth shut, or Hillary had scheduled a few rallies in the Great Lakes region, she probably would have won. Barely. Against an orange clown of a human being that is obviously corrupt, self-centered, greedy, and ignorant.
But this issue, which is a fundamentally flawed and ineffective idea, affects not only the presidential races, but also Federal and State elections. We lost the House in 1994, and have been going back-and-forth ever since. We've been under-performing in Senate races. Ohio went from a tossup to something that's reliable Republican. We lost the presidency because of 537 votes in Florida; if 269 out of MILLIONS of voters had voted for Gore instead, he would have won, and Dubya's SCOTUS picks would have been liberals instead of conservatives. 26 states have majority-Republican House delegations, which may be a BIG FUCKING DEAL in 2024 as Republicans try to steal the presidency for the Fat Donnie.
Everybody seems to agree that the Democrats have lost the rural states for the foreseeable future but nobody seems to be making the connection between the party plank and this issue. Democrats have a fiction-based signature gun-control plan, they've been wedded to it for so long they refuse to even consider divorcing it, and they keep losing ground in rural parts of the country.
Banning assault weapons is not a winning strategy. It hasn't worked, it isn't working, and it will never work. It can't work, for a variety of reasons. It has always been a political stunt designed to garner votes by bringing new ideas to the table, and it maybe worked once, for Bill Clinton in 1992.
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Definition: "military... raised from the civil population to supplement regular army in emergency."
live love laugh
May 2022
#22
The same was thought in relation to travelling to the moon. Have to start on that path.
LonePirate
May 2022
#23
What's your solution then? Shrugging our shoulders from the inevitability of these shootings?
LonePirate
May 2022
#42
They disarmed people that were actively supporting the Crown during an ongoing war
hack89
May 2022
#94
It will never happen, no way would anyone ever be able to get that passed! Nt
USALiberal
May 2022
#15
also takes a total sea change in law enforcement - specially outside of cities
Amishman
May 2022
#51
Yeah, because making gun control the party platform has just worked out so well for us.
krispos42
May 2022
#26
Excellent post. Sadly, it will be completely ignored by the vast majority here.
Dial H For Hero
May 2022
#37
What is your legislative proposal that can actually be passed and survive constitutional scrutiny?
Dial H For Hero
May 2022
#45
How about we get and stay in power so we can make positive changes to society?
krispos42
May 2022
#52
I wonder if the love for seemingly all things gun related is generational. I know
walkingman
May 2022
#47
Easy, Title II all PGR (Pistol Grip Rifles) ... no ban just register who has them
uponit7771
May 2022
#53
Why restrict pistol grips? A Mini-14 and Ar-15 are functionally identical.
Dial H For Hero
May 2022
#54
His statement makes no sense at all, unless the poster is ignorant of firearms. nt
MarineCombatEngineer
May 2022
#60
... of course you didn't list the differences IE the ad hom. But I've asked anyway
uponit7771
May 2022
#63
This is false on its face, ... hint: VPC has done the studies and the history and the ...
uponit7771
May 2022
#67
Yeah, "fuck facts: ... that's a winning argument after ad homs. Come on man I don't believe ...
uponit7771
May 2022
#70
This is also false, the poster said they're "functionally identical" and they're not. A sword and a
uponit7771
May 2022
#74
You narrowed my position to "innards" not me and straight stock vs pgr isn't just "looks" ...
uponit7771
May 2022
#76
Poster said that the functionality of both are the same, not how they look. nt
MarineCombatEngineer
May 2022
#64
Some people seem to think that sticking to a demonstrably incorrect position is better than
Dial H For Hero
May 2022
#80
Citing the VPC regarding the "deadliness" of pistol grips is quite the stretch as well.
Dial H For Hero
May 2022
#83
So we can...must...all buy M4s and M16s and M9s as long as they're registered?
BusterMove
May 2022
#81