These two things have devastated our culture and we have descended into madness.

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57. OK, so let's nitpick every statement, but that's not helpful.

I understand what the poster is trying to say re: health insurance because I started working in an office right out of high school and continued working in offices most of my lifetime. In the beginning (1967) and up 'til the Reagan years I always had employer provided and completely paid for health insurance with no deductibles and so did my husband. We were not union workers, but yes, we did live in the North. I had two children and never paid a penny for my healthcare and delivery of those children. I and my husband both had full dental and vision coverage. By the time my two were ready for braces it was the 80's and we had to pay a portion of that.

I realize that not everyone had that, but a lot of the people I knew did. So let's not throw away what the poster is trying to say because a good portion of it is true.