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Slammer

(714 posts)
46. "How does a con man like Trump manage to fool an otherwise intelligent, big hearted man like this?"
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:12 PM
Aug 2022

Most people aren't deliberately monsters. They don't want what's worst for the country. They don't have a huge burning hatred for other racial groups. They don't want poor people to be deliberately screwed over.

What they've seen is decades of political insiders running the country with the country not getting better and in many ways getting worse. What they want is the country to get better.

But the vast majority of people don't pay attention to politics until it's almost literally shoved in their faces.

Most people don't know enough about economics or public policy to be able to evaluate policies to tell whether they would be good or bad. And you can make almost anything sound good to someone who has no way of evaluating whether your statement is accurate or not.

Most people also don't know enough to be able to identify a good source of news from a bad source of news. And they can't tell when a news story isn't being put in an accurate context. They can't evaluate what isn't being said by their news source. And they have no context for economics, public policy, or politics to figure out why something is happening or is being done. If they pay attention to the news at all, most likely they're only finding out that something happened and aren't being exposed to why it's happening, much less being able to figure out why without someone else pointing it out to them (and the person pointing it out to them might or might not know what they're talking about and might or might to choose to be telling the unvarnished truth).

So...you get a heck of a lot of people who are drawn to a political outsider because political insiders haven't been able to fix things or seem to be actively making things worse. Over the years we've seen movements of ordinary people to figures like Ross Perot...and more recently Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders.

A lot of people went directly from "Ron Paul for President" in 2008 and 2012 to "Bernie Sanders for President" in in 2016 and 2020...without seeing any contradiction despite the fact that Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders couldn't be further apart on their political views.

And when Bernie didn't get the Democrat nomination in 2016, some people went from "Bernie for President" to "Trump for President" without seeing any contradiction...because both seemed to be political outsiders...and because those people didn't have the skills to evaluate proposals and weren't involved enough in paying attention to politics to actually read the proposals being made by each candidate.

People make the decision of who they support based on

Does he "talk tough"?

Does he talk about whichever issue interests me? (regardless of whether his proposal is actually feasible to implement or would work if implemented)

Is he strong on national defense (defined as "does he talk like he wants a strong national defense", not whether his policies would create a strong national defense)?

Is he physically attractive or does he look like a possum?

Is the candidate the correct gender (regardless of which gender is considered by that voter to be "correct" )?

Is he running in the correct party?

And once some potential voter decides to support a candidate, they start self-filtering the information they receive about that candidate. Things which are negative about that candidate are downplayed in their minds regardless of how serious the negative happens to be. Things which are positive are magnified in their minds beyond how important the positive factor is.

And that happens because doing anything else would mean admitting that their own decision was wrong. Humans are pre-programmed to avoid coming to that conclusion. You need some level of training or discipline (whether from an outside source or self-taught) to be able to step back and look at something objectively to evaluate accurately whether you yourself screwed up or not in making your decision.

So people are inclined to follow their candidate, regardless of who the candidate might be, further and further down whatever rabbit hole the candidate wants to fall down. They aren't getting accurate information from wherever they're getting their information. They have no skills to be able to evaluate whatever information they do get. And their brains are pre-programmed to accept and magnify positive information and to reject negative information.

For some people, at some point, reality starts to intrude to a degree which they can't ignore. But the further down the rabbit hole someone goes, the more pointed reality has to be before it effectively penetrates their self-constructed bubble.

Sorry that I can't do a "tldr" version. That is the extremely condensed version.

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About a white rural voter... [View all] orangecrush Aug 2022 OP
My heart goes out to the family. It seems like when something like this hits a SWBTATTReg Aug 2022 #1
Thanks. Oddly orangecrush Aug 2022 #4
Really. Perhaps there's a crack there w/ him liking other black and latino artists? Little steps, SWBTATTReg Aug 2022 #5
Thank you! orangecrush Aug 2022 #8
I think you found the way. It's not by winning arguments, but by showing your compassion. TheRickles Aug 2022 #30
Stop this nonsense, this guy would turn you in if Trump had become dictator. Jon King Aug 2022 #36
Many MAGAts are as you describe, but not all. It's too soon to say how this fellow will turn out. TheRickles Aug 2022 #40
Guess we have to disagree, anyone that easily manipulated is dangerous. Jon King Aug 2022 #41
This. nt Tommymac Aug 2022 #70
I wish I knew. Elessar Zappa Aug 2022 #2
That makes two of us orangecrush Aug 2022 #6
This Breaks My Heart leftieNanner Aug 2022 #3
Thanks, Nanner. orangecrush Aug 2022 #7
This is so mind-boggling. Demobrat Aug 2022 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Demobrat Aug 2022 #27
I also grew up in a town which is now red. Tetrachloride Aug 2022 #9
Recommended. H2O Man Aug 2022 #10
Most welcome. orangecrush Aug 2022 #54
Community events: flea market, library fund raising, Tetrachloride Aug 2022 #11
I live in a rural red county in FL mcar Aug 2022 #12
I am not too sure that he would show you they same compassion and grace maxrandb Aug 2022 #13
Trump has conned his way into their hearts and minds like Prof. Harold Hill andym Aug 2022 #14
It was so sad to see all those children killed when the tractor flipped in SC-PA. JoeOtterbein Aug 2022 #15
Heart breaking story on several levels. Thanks for KPN Aug 2022 #16
Without a negligent and complicit media he could not fool so many people. Pepsidog Aug 2022 #17
There wasn't any 'fooling' Trump Voters Bread and Circuses Aug 2022 #18
I agree. He showed the world who he was multiple times. ecstatic Aug 2022 #74
Condolenses to the grandfather ... aggiesal Aug 2022 #19
And yet, at least in MI, the great majority of TFG voters live in urban or mostly urban counties Kaleva Aug 2022 #47
No it wouldn't stop, because the right-wing Christian churches spread it too. Mariana Aug 2022 #49
Exactly right orangecrush Aug 2022 #55
This...and it's been going on since reagan...and probably before. Tikki Aug 2022 #80
They are all angry or afraid of something. Trump and his ilk tap into those emotions. Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #20
I suspect the answer is right there in your anecdote: peppertree Aug 2022 #21
There wasn't any 'fooling' Trump Voters Bread and Circuses Aug 2022 #22
It's the rural tribe. multigraincracker Aug 2022 #23
Re: Hillary llmart Aug 2022 #83
Both things can be true at the same time. A loving grandfather and bigoted grandfather tulipsandroses Aug 2022 #24
As the old saying goes. Even Hitler loved his dogs. paleotn Aug 2022 #29
Excellent post. llmart Aug 2022 #85
Why do the Democrats want to take my Social Security PXR-5 Aug 2022 #25
Indeed!! Faux Lies ... Duppers Aug 2022 #50
The world is changing. Scares the crap out of them. paleotn Aug 2022 #28
So he loved his gradson and plays guitar, and likely hates blacks, gays, jews, etc. Jon King Aug 2022 #31
Changing Trump voters minds orangecrush Aug 2022 #56
Democrats wasted a hell of a lot of years Warpy Aug 2022 #32
People with big hearts can still be duped, this is not the democrats problem, stupidity is Cozmo Aug 2022 #33
Self-Righteousness vs Alternative Facts czarjak Aug 2022 #34
oh it's pretty common. drray23 Aug 2022 #35
Exactly, and Trump could convince them you are not truly part of their tribe. Jon King Aug 2022 #39
The same way opioid drug companies target them, and other substances like alcohol IronLionZion Aug 2022 #37
If you people think your Trump voting family/friends are "nice", you are wrong. Jon King Aug 2022 #38
As a news editor I cover rural areas, and understand why some are dismayed with Dems. Liberty Belle Aug 2022 #42
This is interesting. Would like to Google more about it. MarcA Aug 2022 #43
+1 sammythecat Aug 2022 #45
You obviously don't live in Iowa or another SharonClark Aug 2022 #52
Aren't districts divided by population in Iowa? Kaleva Aug 2022 #62
GREAT POST orangecrush Aug 2022 #58
"a general disrespect of rural residents." Where? Town halls don't change anything. betsuni Aug 2022 #59
All Good Points But modrepub Aug 2022 #61
Under Trump White FArmers recieved most Financial Assistance. Biden admin tried to fix this JI7 Aug 2022 #68
It isn't necessarily Trump, himself that did this captivation... Pluvious Aug 2022 #44
"How does a con man like Trump manage to fool an otherwise intelligent, big hearted man like this?" Slammer Aug 2022 #46
Sounds like he may be a guy kacekwl Aug 2022 #48
i have 1 trumpkin in my life. ex bf. mopinko Aug 2022 #51
Thank you orangecrush Aug 2022 #57
Maybe he doesn't like black people or gay people JI7 Aug 2022 #53
If they know them personally, it's okay. betsuni Aug 2022 #64
Cognitive dissonance. orangecrush Aug 2022 #73
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2022 #60
"I dream of a day when my party finally reaches the hearts of these people ... " betsuni Aug 2022 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author JI7 Aug 2022 #65
My dad was dean of a major university humanities department Pelosi Pepperment Aug 2022 #67
I deleted my comment that you replied to because I meant to post it somewhere else JI7 Aug 2022 #69
A friend came to visit me here in Wisconsin milestogo Aug 2022 #66
Sorry, I am out of compassion for anyone who voted for TFG once, much less twice. Tommymac Aug 2022 #71
I understand completely orangecrush Aug 2022 #72
This man's definition of "us" is much smaller than yours Random Boomer Aug 2022 #75
Because he is a bigot. Master Jah-Remi Aug 2022 #76
I will still work on bringing people together orangecrush Aug 2022 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #81
Campaign Finance BS leads to this IbogaProject Aug 2022 #77
The Outrage Machine gins up emotions that trump reason. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2022 #78
He's associated with Republicans his whole life. It's all he's ever known. jaxexpat Aug 2022 #82
They get brainwashed listening to rightwing TV. nt leftyladyfrommo Aug 2022 #84
And a.m. radio orangecrush Aug 2022 #86
They brainwash themselves. Most cults have brainwashing leftyladyfrommo Aug 2022 #88
It is true orangecrush Aug 2022 #92
Many of my closest life friends are on the right. sellitman Aug 2022 #87
Same here orangecrush Aug 2022 #95
For all of you who say, "they're such nice people, they seem so kind, how can they Wingus Dingus Aug 2022 #89
A lot of racist are really great people to the ones they care about Heather MC Aug 2022 #90
Yep, dig deep enough or catch them on a bad day, you'll see the Trumper come out. Wingus Dingus Aug 2022 #91
The 13 year old kid orangecrush Aug 2022 #93
.. Demovictory9 Aug 2022 #94
No one here wants to hear the answer. The Mouth Feb 2024 #96
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